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4 Representing: 5 VOTE ON PAROLE COMMISSIONERS 6 STATE BOARD OF ADMINISTRATION DIVISION OF BOND FINANCE 7 DEPARTMENT OF HIGHWAY SAFETY AND MOTOR VEHICLES DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE 8 ADMINISTRATION COMMISSION BOARD OF TRUSTEES, INTERNAL IMPROVEMENT TRUST FUND 9 MARINE FISHERIES COMMISSION STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION 10
11 The above agencies came to be heard before THE FLORIDA CABINET, Honorable Governor Chiles 12 presiding, in the Cabinet Meeting Room, LL-03, The Capitol, Tallahassee, Florida, on Tuesday, 13 July 14, 1998, commencing at approximately 9:46 a.m.
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2 Representing the Florida Cabinet:
3 LAWTON CHILES Governor 4 BOB CRAWFORD 5 Commissioner of Agriculture
6 BOB MILLIGAN Comptroller 7 SANDRA B. MORTHAM 8 Secretary of State
9 BOB BUTTERWORTH Attorney General 10 BILL NELSON 11 Treasurer
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3 VOTE ON PAROLE COMMISSIONERS:
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5 STATE BOARD OF ADMINISTRATION: (Presented by Tom Herndon, 6 Executive Director)
7 1 Approved 7 2 Approved 7 8 3 Approved 8 4 Approved 11 9 5 Review and Comment 11
10 DIVISION OF BOND FINANCE: (Presented by J. Ben Watkins, III, 11 Director)
12 1 Approved 13 2 Approved 13 13 3 Approved 14 4 Approved 14 14 DEPARTMENT OF HIGHWAY SAFETY AND MOTOR VEHICLES: 15 (Presented by Fred O. Dickinson, III, Executive Director) 16 1 Approved 15 17 2 Approved 15 3 Approved 15 18 4 Approved 16 5 Approved 16 19 DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE: 20 Query 17 21
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3 ADMINISTRATION COMMISSION: (Presented by Paul E. Belcher, 4 Acting Deputy Director)
5 1 Approved 27 2 Approved 27 6 3 Approved 28 4 Approved 28 7 5 Approved 29 6 Approved 29 8 7 Approved 29 8 Approved 30 9 9 Deferred 30
10 BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE INTERNAL IMPROVEMENT 11 TRUST FUND: (Presented by Virginia B. Wetherell, 12 Deputy Secretary)
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19 MARINE FISHERIES COMMISSION: (Presented by Russell S. Nelson, Ph.D., 20 Executive Director)
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3 STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION: (Presented by Wayne V. Pierson, 4 Deputy Commissioner for Planning, Budgeting, and Management) 5 1 Approved 40 6 2 Approved 70 3 Approved 71 7 4 Approved 71 5 Deferred 71 8 6 Deferred 71 7 Deferred 72 9 8 Approved 72 9 Approved 72 10 10 Approved 72 11 Approved 73 11 12 Approved 73 13 Approved 73 12 14 Approved 74 15 Approved 75 13 16 Approved 75 17 Approved 75 14 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER 76 15 * 16
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1 P R O C E E D I N G S
2 (The agenda items commenced at 10:15 a.m.)
3 GOVERNOR CHILES: We now need a -- a vote
4 on the Parole Commissioner. A ballot's before
5 you.
6 I'll ask the Attorney General to count the
7 ballots.
8 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Governor,
9 Jimmy Henry is the -- is the winner.
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: All right. By your vote,
11 you have selected Jim Henry for a -- a term on
12 the -- a full term on the Parole Commission.
13 Our next Cabinet meeting will be
14 July the 28th of 1998.
15 (The Vote on the Parole Commissioner Agenda
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: State Board of
2 Administration.
3 MR. HERNDON: Item number 1 on the State
4 Board of Administration agenda is approval of
5 the minutes of the meeting held on June 24th,
6 1998.
7 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Move the minutes.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: Minutes are moved.
9 TREASURER NELSON: Second it.
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: Second.
11 Without objection, minutes are approved.
12 MR. HERNDON: Item number 2 is approval of
13 fiscal sufficiency in an -- of an aggregate
14 amount not exceeding 500 million dollars, State
15 of Florida, full faith and credit, State Board
16 of Education, Public Education Capital Outlay
17 Bonds.
18 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Move Item 2.
19 TREASURER NELSON: And second.
20 GOVERNOR CHILES: It's moved and seconded.
21 Without objection, it's approved.
22 MR. HERNDON: Item number 3 is approval of
23 fiscal sufficiency not exceeding 90 million
24 dollars for the Department of Environmental
25 Protection, Save Our Coast Refunding Revenue
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1 Bond, Series 1998A.
2 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: And move Item 3.
3 TREASURER NELSON: Second.
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
5 Without objection, Item 3 is approved.
6 MR. HERNDON: Item number 4 is approval of
7 fiscal determination of an amount not exceeding
8 ten billion one hundred thousand dollar Florida
9 Housing Finance Corporation Housing Revenue
10 Bond, 1998 series, named College Park Apartments
11 Project.
12 Let me just note, Governor, for the record,
13 that two of the members of the State Board of
14 Administration are also non-voting Trustees of
15 First Housing Corporation, which is the
16 underwriting firm that participated in this
17 particular bond issue.
18 They did not vote on this issue, and
19 there's certainly no conflict as a result of
20 it. But for the record, so that it's clear.
21 TREASURER NELSON: Is --
22 May I ask a question, Governor?
23 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, sir.
24 TREASURER NELSON: Is that part of the
25 controversy that has arisen on this?
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1 MR. HERNDON: Not to my knowledge,
2 Commissioner, no. It just simply was a
3 clarification for the record because you and
4 Commissioner -- and General Milligan are
5 non-voting members of that First Housing
6 Corporation Board.
7 I just wanted it clear that since you were
8 voting there, and you had also been members of
9 that Board, even -- albeit, non-voting members,
10 that there was no conflict.
11 TREASURER NELSON: Well, are there any
12 outstanding issues that have not been resolved
13 on this particular issue?
14 MR. HERNDON: My understanding is that
15 there is a final permit that is scheduled to be
16 obtained today. It has been held up pending a
17 second reading, as I recall, at the
18 Water Management District. It's my
19 understanding that that will be obtained today.
20 It's essentially a ministerial, second
21 reading step that has to be completed. Once
22 that's completed, there would be no further
23 steps remaining.
24 If, for some reason it is not --
25 (Commissioner Crawford exited the room.)
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1 MR. HERNDON: -- completed as expected,
2 there are proposed deals pending at the Division
3 of Bond Finance that would substitute for this
4 proposal as need be.
5 TREASURER NELSON: So whatever were to
6 happen with regard to that permit, it would not
7 be jeopardizing the tax exempt bond allocation
8 in order --
9 MR. HERNDON: Precisely.
10 TREASURER NELSON: -- to fund this
11 affordable housing.
12 MR. HERNDON: Precisely. Exactly.
13 TREASURER NELSON: All right. If that --
14 does it make any difference for us with regard
15 to our action today as to whether or not that
16 permit has been issued?
17 In other words, I'm asking a timing
18 question.
19 MR. HERNDON: Not to my knowledge. If
20 you'd like, we can get some clarification from
21 the Housing Finance Corporation folks who are
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23 But to my knowledge, since it is a
24 ministerial function that is pending, not a
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1 jeopardized by the action today.
2 GOVERNOR CHILES: Is there a second?
3 TREASURER NELSON: I second it.
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
5 Without objection, it's approved.
6 MR. HERNDON: Item number 5 is submitted
7 for review and comment by the Board. It is the
8 proposed unfunded actuarial liability workplan
9 that was developed in conjunction with the
10 Division of Retirement, has been reviewed by the
11 House and Senate Appropriations Ways and Means
12 Committees, the House and Senate Government
13 Operations Committees, the Governor's Office of
14 Planning and Budgeting.
15 And in your role as Trustees and
16 fiduciaries, we wanted to ensure that you had
17 not only an opportunity to review this in its
18 full measure, but that the public was also aware
19 that this workplan was being adopted at the
20 staff and legislative and Division of Retirement
21 level.
22 Obviously we will be back to you as
23 Trustees and fiduciaries as this process unfolds
24 with reports and -- and so forth.
25 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: I, for one,
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1 appreciate the information, Tom. Thank you.
2 MR. HERNDON: Thank you.
3 Thank you.
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: We're glad that this is
5 progressing. And --
6 MR. HERNDON: Thank you.
7 That completes the agenda, Governor.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: All right. Is there a
9 motion on that?
10 TREASURER NELSON: I move it.
11 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: I don't think one is
12 necessary.
13 MR. HERNDON: We don't need to adopt it.
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: All right.
15 MR. HERNDON: It's just for your review and
16 comment.
17 GOVERNOR CHILES: All right. Thank you,
18 sir.
19 MR. HERNDON: Thank you.
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DIVISION OF BOND FINANCE July 14, 1998 13
1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Division of Bond Finance.
2 MR. WATKINS: Item number 1 is approval of
3 the minutes of the June 24th meeting.
4 TREASURER NELSON: Move it.
5 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
7 Without objection, the minutes are
8 approved.
9 MR. WATKINS: Item number 2 is a resolution
10 authorizing the issuance of up to 500 million
11 dollars in PECO bonds, which is a current fiscal
12 year appropriations for that program; and the
13 competitive sale of 250 million of the
14 500 million dollar authorization.
15 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
16 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
17 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
18 Without objection, it's approved.
19 MR. WATKINS: Item number 3 is a resolution
20 authorizing the competitive sale of up to
21 90 million dollars in Save Our Coast Refunding
22 Bonds in order to achieve a lower interest rate
23 on the bonds.
24 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
25 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: And second.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
2 Without objection, it's approved.
3 MR. WATKINS: Item number 4 is a resolution
4 authorizing the redemption prior to maturity of
5 some old State of Florida Nassau County road
6 bonds.
7 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: I move it.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: It's moved.
9 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: And seconded.
11 Without objection, it's approved.
12 MR. WATKINS: Thank you.
13 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you, sir.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES:
2 Department of Highway Safety.
3 MR. DICKINSON: Good morning.
4 Item 1 is approval of minutes from the
5 April 28th, '98 -- 1998, Cabinet meeting.
6 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the minutes.
7 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
9 Without objection, they're approved.
10 MR. DICKINSON: Item 2 is approval of our
11 quarterly report for the period ending
12 March 1998.
13 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the item.
14 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
16 Without objection, it's approved.
17 MR. DICKINSON: Item 3 is the appointment
18 of Dr. Larned to a four-year term on our
19 Highway Safety Medical Advisory Board.
20 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the appointment.
21 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
23 Without objection, it's approved.
24 MR. DICKINSON: Item 3 (sic) is approval of
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1 counsel for contingency fees on our forfeiture
2 litigation.
3 We're currently down to just three
4 private -- the Attorney General handles
5 everything in most of the other areas. But
6 where he doesn't, we have private attorneys,
7 pursuant to statute.
8 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the item.
9 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
11 Without objection, it's approved.
12 MR. DICKINSON: Item 5 is approval to enter
13 into new contracts with our motorcycle rider
14 training schools in several areas of the state
15 that exceed the $25,000 threshold.
16 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
17 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
19 Without objection, it's approved.
20 MR. DICKINSON: That concludes our agenda.
21 Thank you.
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: All right.
23 (The Department of Highway Safety and Motor
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1 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Governor --
2 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, ma'am.
3 SECRETARY MORTHAM: -- since this would
4 normally be where the Department of Revenue is,
5 would you have a problem with me just asking
6 them a question? They are here.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: Not at all.
8 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Okay. I believe --
9 Bebe?
10 MS. BLOUNT: And Dr. Zingale.
11 (Commissioner Crawford entered the room.)
12 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Okay. Great.
13 The question that I have is regarding the
14 week of no sales tax on clothing after a certain
15 amount of money.
16 And I was just wondering if you could
17 enlighten us a little bit about where we're at
18 in that regard, and specific to -- I understand
19 New York has done something similar. And I was
20 wondering if we have interacted with them to
21 find out how we can best do this without too
22 much confusion.
23 I guess my -- my big concern is that the
24 lines and so forth at stores, you know, are
25 questioning what is taxable and what is not.
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1 And I know -- I've read the statute where it
2 specifically stated what would not be considered
3 exempt.
4 But then when you look at your list, you've
5 got such things as, say, a leather glove would
6 be exempt, but a rubber glove would be taxable.
7 And I'm just -- I guess I'm just concerned
8 that somebody's -- I mean, we're going to have
9 long lines questioning where we're at on various
10 items.
11 DR. ZINGALE: Would you -- would you be
12 happy with just a rough, quick, 5-minute recap
13 of what's taken place so far in leading into
14 that question?
15 SECRETARY MORTHAM: (Nodding of head.)
16 DR. ZINGALE: If you could, a quick little
17 time line.
18 When the bill did pass, an examination of
19 it kind of gave a fairly simplistic definition
20 of what clothing was. It's something that you
21 wear around the -- around the body. It listed
22 footwear and apparel.
23 Then it had two sets of specific things
24 that would continue to be taxable, like
25 watchbands and jewelry and -- and things like
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1 that that you would normally not consider
2 clothing, but accessories.
3 But then it went specifically into things
4 like, but that ties would still be taxable. And
5 most people would consider ties a taxable item.
6 It came in and said that buckled belts --
7 the buckles of the belt would be taxable, but
8 the belt itself would not be taxable. So there
9 were some specific things in there that raised
10 some question as to what clothing would be.
11 Also things like scarves and headbands,
12 which normal people would consider clothing,
13 were specifically defined in the statute as
14 being taxable. That caused us some concern.
15 We went to the Speaker's office, we went to
16 the President's office, and said, we're going to
17 need a dialogue, we're going to need some intent
18 here.
19 We met with David Beggs, Mark Casteel,
20 David Coburn, Michele Keating within a week of
21 the bill passing, and said, we need some intent
22 here. Help us understand a little more about
23 the definition of what clothing is.
24 They established a couple of rules for us.
25 Generally it was conceived to be clothing that
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1 you would wear on the street. An emphasis was
2 given on clothing that children would wear to
3 schools. It was an intent to have this be
4 something that could be marketed just prior to
5 the school season.
6 We were told to look to New York as a
7 guide, work with the state of New York, go
8 through their clothing list, work with them if
9 we had some doubts, and then to come back to
10 them.
11 We talked to New York, we got their
12 statute, we got their rules, we got their list,
13 we started applying those general rules to that
14 list.
15 We came up to sporting equipment, another
16 odd one. These are athletic tennis shoes
17 children wear to school. Yeah, that should be
18 exempt. But how about the athletic equipment
19 that had spikes on them that deal with things
20 that you would wear --
21 (Treasurer Nelson exited the room.)
22 DR. ZINGALE: -- shoulder pads, helmets,
23 things like that.
24 And we got an expression that said, no,
25 that wasn't the general intent of what we were
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1 trying to call clothing in this exemption.
2 We tried the best we could. We shared the
3 early lists with the staff. We had questions on
4 item by item that we went over with them. We
5 came up with a list.
6 At the same time, we were meeting with the
7 Florida Retail Federation, the National
8 Federation of Independent Businesses, the
9 Chamber, the Florida United Business
10 Association.
11 We've had two sets of meetings with them.
12 We had a conference call with a number of their
13 people from New York that had experienced this.
14 We started to identify other things that
15 you wouldn't think on a common sense basis would
16 be a big deal, but, you know, how about refund
17 policy, how about lay away, how about coupons
18 that are given to try to get the price under
19 50 bucks.
20 So we tried to work with them to identify
21 what all the administrative problems they had to
22 try to clearly lay out what those things would
23 be, and to set a clear policy.
24 What -- what we got from them was, tell us
25 early so we can prepare the computer to program
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1 what's taxable and not taxable; tell us early so
2 we can train the staff to get ready for the
3 change. It's only going to be for seven days.
4 So we -- we tried to identify as many
5 problems as we felt that they would have, and to
6 come up with a clear statement so that we didn't
7 have one group of retailers doing one thing, and
8 another one doing another thing.
9 We established an educational program that
10 got our TIP out. The TIP went out -- well, we
11 put a 1-800 number up as early as June 17th. We
12 got our web site up June 19th. On July 1st and
13 3rd, we sent out our Taxpayer Information
14 Publication to try to provide clarification.
15 In terms of how well we've succeeded at
16 communicating things. As our full first week
17 after getting our informational bulletin, our
18 1-800 number last week only had about -- a
19 little under 200 phone calls coming in, and the
20 average phone call was only
21 two-and-a-half minutes, and they were just
22 generally asking for some clarification.
23 We have had three seminars out in the
24 field. The first one, July 6, had no one show
25 up; the second one down in Fort Myers had
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1 164 show up; the one over in Jacksonville on
2 July 8th had only four show up.
3 So we generally got the feeling that both
4 the hard work that the Associations were doing
5 in getting the word out to their members, and
6 the work that we were doing trying to make it
7 publicly available was at least getting the
8 message out. It is tricky.
9 Some of these things are on a common sense
10 level, like ties aren't wearing apparel.
11 You know, how could ties not be wearing
12 apparel. Doesn't make common sense.
13 So you make a judgment by judgment basis,
14 based on what staff was telling us was the
15 general intent, based on what the
16 retail federations and that industry were
17 telling us problems they were going to have.
18 And you make the judgments you can, and you get
19 it out there as early and as quickly as
20 possible.
21 We think the lack of response coming back
22 in with tons of questions means that while every
23 item may not make common sense to everybody,
24 people are understanding what they're getting.
25 It's fairly clear to them what the intent of
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1 what was going on. It's only for seven days.
2 What we hope to continue to do working with
3 the Retail Federation, and some of our media
4 that's going to happen a little bit before, is
5 try to emphasize to the public what is this
6 clear distinction so that when they do get
7 there.
8 One of our goals was that the expectation
9 of what a customer coming into the store was met
10 with when they met face-to-face with the retail
11 establishment there. We've got to educate their
12 staff, we've got to have the public awareness
13 there.
14 Dave Roberts from the Retail Federation is
15 here if you want to ask any questions of him.
16 But at this time, we're at the point where
17 it's out there, we're not getting a large cry
18 from the community to change things, or to do
19 things differently.
20 The press hasn't always found the best way
21 to portray some of these small issues. But we
22 do feel they are somewhat small issues. They
23 don't always make common sense, but the reading
24 of the law itself isn't intuitive.
25 That's a quick recap.
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1 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Well, I think that that
2 is helpful. And the biggest concern, I think,
3 is -- is when people -- is when they go to the
4 store and they think --
5 DR. ZINGALE: Exactly.
6 SECRETARY MORTHAM: -- you know, they
7 believe one thing, the person behind the cash
8 register has something else. And it's just how
9 we're getting that information out.
10 It sounds like you're doing the best job
11 that you can.
12 DR. ZINGALE: And you'll see more of that.
13 You don't want to get that message out too
14 early, because people are going to forget.
15 You're going to see more of that the week
16 to 10 days prior to that week coming into play,
17 more of the public stuff in terms of
18 clarification.
19 SECRETARY MORTHAM: It would have been nice
20 if it had been just --
21 DR. ZINGALE: -- clothing.
22 SECRETARY MORTHAM: -- clothing.
23 DR. ZINGALE: Yes.
24 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Thanks.
25 DR. ZINGALE: Thank you.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: All right. We're going
2 to skip over the Education Commission and take
3 it up last.
4 Go to the Administration Commission.
5 MR. BELCHER: Item number 1 on the
6 Administration Commission requests approval of
7 the minutes for the meeting held June 24th,
8 1998.
9 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
10 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
11 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
12 Without objection, they're approved.
13 MR. BELCHER: Item 2, request approval for
14 the transfer of general revenue appropriations
15 from the Department of Children and Families in
16 the amount of $73,595 to begin the Department's
17 migration to the statewide purchasing system.
18 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
19 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Second.
20 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
21 Without objection, it's approved.
22 MR. BELCHER: Item 3, request approval for
23 the transfer of general revenue appropriations
24 for the Department of Corrections in the amount
25 of a million twenty-six thousand three hundred
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1 and eight dollars to realign the budget to
2 conform with Performance Based Budgeting
3 programs appropriated by the --
4 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move --
5 MR. BELCHER: -- Legislature.
6 SECRETARY MORTHAM: -- approval.
7 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Second.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
9 Without objection, that's approved.
10 MR. BELCHER: Item 4 requests approval of
11 the transfer of general revenue funds in the
12 amount of one million nine hundred and
13 ten thousand five hundred and twenty dollars to
14 ensure that adequate resources are provided to
15 school districts to meet the needs of adult
16 handicapped students and the work force
17 development programs.
18 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
19 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
20 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
21 Without objection, it's approved.
22 MR. BELCHER: Item number 5 requests the
23 transfer of the Nursing Student Loan Forgiveness
24 Program from the Department of Health to the
25 Department of Education in accordance with
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1 Senate Bill 484.
2 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
3 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
5 Without objection, that's approved.
6 MR. BELCHER: Item 6, request the approval
7 of the transfer of general revenue
8 appropriations for the Justice Administration --
9 Administrative Commission to correctly align the
10 budget to be consistent with legislative
11 work papers and intent.
12 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move --
13 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
14 SECRETARY MORTHAM: -- approv-- second.
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
16 Without objection, it's approved.
17 MR. BELCHER: Item number 7 requests the
18 approval of general revenue appropriations for
19 the Department of Juvenile Justice in the amount
20 of $194,901 to reestablish the case management
21 functions in the Department of Juvenile Justice.
22 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
23 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
25 Without objection, that's approved.
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1 MR. BELCHER: Item number 8 requests the
2 approval of the transfer of general revenue
3 appropriations for the Florida Department of Law
4 Enforcement to continue the realignment of an
5 organizational structure pursuant to
6 Chapter 97-153, Laws --
7 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
8 MR. BELCHER: -- of Florida.
9 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
11 Without objection, that's approved.
12 MR. BELCHER: Item number 9 is an issue
13 dealing with Homestead Air Force Base reuse
14 plan, and we're requesting the deferral of this
15 item till the July 28 --
16 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move deferral.
17 MR. BELCHER: -- 1998, meeting.
18 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
20 Without objection, the item is deferred.
21 (The Administration Commission Agenda was
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Board of Trustees.
2 MS. WETHERELL: Item 1, minutes.
3 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move --
4 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the minutes.
5 Second.
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and --
7 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Seconded. Yes, sir.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- seconded.
9 Without objection, it's approved.
10 MS. WETHERELL: Item 2 are five option
11 agreements for the Wekiva-Ocala CARL project.
12 And I need for the record to note a
13 correction. Commissioner Brogan's office
14 brought to our attention that there was a minor
15 acreage discrepancy in your staff remarks in the
16 first paragraph, the acreage remaining and the
17 acreage acquired.
18 I need to, for the record, state that the
19 acreage is 32,053.86 acres already acquired; and
20 34,918.76 acres remaining.
21 Thank you.
22 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
23 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
24 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
25 GOVERNOR CHILES: Without objection, it's
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2 MS. WETHERELL: Item 3 is 25 option
3 agreements for the Corkscrew Ecosystem CARL
4 project.
5 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
6 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
8 Without objection, it's approved.
9 MS. WETHERELL: Item 4, an option agreement
10 for Charlotte Harbor CARL project, and a waiver
11 of survey.
12 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
13 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
14 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
16 Without objection, it's approved.
17 MS. WETHERELL: Item 5 is an option
18 agreement for Shell Island Recreation and Parks
19 Addition, and a waiver of survey.
20 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
21 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
23 Without objection, it's approved.
24 MS. WETHERELL: Item 6, a purchase
25 agreement for Coupon Bight Key Deer CARL
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1 project, and a waiver of survey.
2 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
3 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
5 Without objection, it's approved.
6 MS. WETHERELL: Substitute Item 7,
7 Rotenberger/Seminole Indian Lands Acquisition
8 Delegation.
9 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
10 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
11 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
12 Without objection, it's approved.
13 MS. WETHERELL: Item 8, four purchase
14 agreements for the Department of
15 Management Services.
16 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
17 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
19 Without objection, it's approved.
20 MS. WETHERELL: Substitute Item 9, we're
21 recommending deferral till July 28.
22 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move deferral.
23 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
25 Without objection, Item 9 is deferred.
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1 MS. WETHERELL: And Substitute Item 10,
2 also recommending deferral to July the 28th.
3 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move deferral of
4 Item 10.
5 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Second.
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
7 Without objection, Item 10 is deferred.
8 MS. WETHERELL: That concludes it.
9 Thank you.
10 (Secretary Mortham exited the room.)
11 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: What about Item 11,
12 Secretary?
13 MS. WETHERELL: I guess I wanted to skip
14 it.
15 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: And I will move
16 deferral of Item 11 to the July 28th meeting.
17 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: And I'll second.
18 MS. WETHERELL: Thank you.
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
20 Without objection, Item 11 --
21 MS. WETHERELL: I'm glad it wasn't
22 controversial.
23 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: That was going to be
24 your recommendation, wasn't it?
25 MS. WETHERELL: Yes, it was.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Marine Fisheries.
2 DR. NELSON: Good morning.
3 The item that you have before you today
4 dealing with shrimp bycatch reduction devices
5 was a subject at the last meeting.
6 The rule was passed, and then the item was
7 deferred to allow for a consideration of a legal
8 question. That question dealt with whether
9 there was any legal avenue to allowing
10 exceptions to the 500 square feet limitation put
11 in place by the Constitutional Amendment of
12 1994.
13 (Treasurer Nelson entered the room.)
14 DR. NELSON: Our General Counsel met with
15 Assistant Attorney General Jon Glogau, the
16 Governor's General Counsel, to review the
17 issue. They reviewed the Constitutional
18 amendment and existing case law.
19 And their determination was that, no, there
20 is no legal avenue to offer an exception to the
21 500 square feet limitation.
22 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Who did you meet
23 with in the Governor's office?
24 DR. NELSON: Excuse me, Commissioner?
25 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Who was the counsel
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1 in the Governor's office?
2 DR. NELSON: Dan Stengle, the Governor's
3 General Counsel, met.
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: It's my understanding
5 that there -- there are two exclusion devices
6 that could be used?
7 DR. NELSON: There are current--
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: Two methods --
9 DR. NELSON: There are currently two. And
10 there are a number of others in the offing that
11 once this rule became in place, we have a -- it
12 will facilitate the fast track acceptance of
13 those when they're approved by the National
14 Marine Fishery Service.
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: Right.
16 My understanding is that one of these
17 involves actually putting some pleats in, or
18 something, which could reduce the net size. But
19 there's one that is a -- a different kind of
20 device --
21 DR. NELSON: One is a very simple --
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: Metal.
23 DR. NELSON: -- metal device that goes in
24 the net. The other one --
25 GOVERNOR CHILES: And the metal device does
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1 not really take away from the net size?
2 DR. NELSON: No, it doesn't.
3 The other device, the extended mesh funnel,
4 consists of mesh on the outside of the net, as
5 well as mesh on the inside.
6 Now, the Commission already determined that
7 that mesh -- additional mesh on the inside of
8 the net that that device requires would not be
9 counted in the 500 square feet, because it was
10 not a fishing surface.
11 But there are two ways --
12 (Secretary Mortham entered the room.)
13 DR. NELSON: -- to rig it. It can be
14 rigged within a net of 500 square feet. There
15 are those who would prefer to add extra length
16 to the net when they insert that device. And
17 that was the problematic issue.
18 It -- but it can -- it has been used, we
19 have Phil Steele here, who is the
20 chief scientist from the Florida Marine Research
21 Institute, has worked on these nets, if there
22 are any -- any other technical questions.
23 GOVERNOR CHILES: Well, it does seem like
24 that there are two devices --
25 DR. NELSON: Correct.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- that the fishermen
2 could elect to use, one of which would not take
3 additional --
4 DR. NELSON: Under no circumstances would
5 the Florida fish eye excluder require any
6 additional mesh at all.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: Further discussion?
8 DR. NELSON: Thank you.
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you, sir.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: State Board of Education.
2 MR. PIERSON: Item 1 is minutes of the
3 meetings held on May 12th and May 28th, 1998.
4 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the minutes.
5 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
6 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
8 Without objection, the minutes are
9 approved.
10 MR. PIERSON: Item 2 is appeal of the
11 Rader Schools, Incorporated, which was denied by
12 the Duval County School Board.
13 The State Board of Education considers
14 appeals of denials of charter school
15 applications pursuant to 96-186, Laws of
16 Florida.
17 As prescribed by law, Florida School Boards
18 are given authority to grant approval to
19 applicants who wish to operate charter schools
20 within a district.
21 A further provision of the law allows an
22 applicant who has been denied a charter the --
23 (Treasurer Nelson exited the room.)
24 MR. PIERSON: -- right to appeal the
25 School Board's decision of the State Board of
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1 Education.
2 Based on the written record and oral
3 argument presented at this meeting, the
4 State Board must vote to recommend acceptance or
5 rejection of the appeal to the School Board.
6 The vote requires a simple majority of the
7 the members, and by law, is not subject to the
8 provisions of the Administrative Procedures Act.
9 The rule governing the appeal process was
10 unanimously adopted by the Cabinet, sitting as
11 the State Board of Education, on December 10th,
12 1996.
13 It very clearly states how this hearing
14 must proceed, and it specifies the following
15 limitations, which must be respected by the
16 applicant, the District School Board, and the
17 representatives.
18 A Notice of Appeal must be based on errors
19 the applicant charges the School Board made in
20 its decision to deny the charter.
21 The written arguments submitted by the
22 applicant to the State Board is limited to
23 discussion of those errors.
24 The record of this proceeding is limited to
25 the written arguments, the charter school
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1 application itself, and transcripts of meetings
2 before the District School Board.
3 At this hearing, a representative of each
4 party may give oral argument. Oral argument is
5 limited to a summary of the written arguments
6 previously submitted to the School Board. Each
7 side is being requested to keep their
8 presentation to 10 minutes today to present its
9 summary.
10 After the summaries are presented, a vote
11 will be taken, and a written recommendation of
12 the vote will be returned to the District
13 School Board.
14 Representing Rader Schools, Incorporated,
15 is Dr. Bill Rader.
16 DR. RADER: Good morning.
17 I want to thank the State Board of
18 Education for hearing our appeal.
19 As you know, the Rader Schools submitted a
20 charter school application to Duval County
21 School Board, and on March 17th, it was denied.
22 We feel that that denial is a -- a
23 misjustice, in essence. It's not based upon the
24 application or the information that we provided
25 to them, but it seems to be based on a process
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1 of not reviewing our document thoroughly, and
2 not understanding or accepting the commitments
3 that we have made during oral presentations to
4 them.
5 I will go through -- there are six areas in
6 which they have specified that they are -- are
7 using as a basis for their denial. I'd like to
8 address briefly just each of those six.
9 The first is that there is a lack of
10 community representation on the School --
11 Charter School Board. We stated in our oral
12 presentation that we would agree to having
13 51 percent -- a minimum of 51 percent of the
14 School -- the Charter School Board to be local
15 members. Matter of fact, that request was made
16 of us of the review committee, and we agreed to
17 do so.
18 Our actual plan is that the school --
19 Charter School Board will consist of six
20 members. There will be two parents; two
21 representations from the Police Athletic League,
22 which is our partner -- and I'll address that in
23 a few minutes; and two other members
24 representing ourselves.
25 The second item deals with the fact that
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1 they have identified in their comments that we
2 have excessive administrative costs in our
3 proposal.
4 (Treasurer Nelson entered the room.)
5 DR. RADER: So we went back and actually
6 recalculated the administrative costs. They
7 specified that we have an administrative cost of
8 a little over 15 percent, 15.8 percent. They
9 miscalculated our administrative costs.
10 The actual administrative cost is
11 14.9 percent. But assuming that they just made
12 the error there, we compared our administrative
13 costs with those administrative costs with -- of
14 the charter school application that they had
15 approved.
16 And in that application, which was
17 submitted by a firm called Creative Kids, their
18 administrative cost was 22 percent, which seemed
19 to be okay. But then I don't understand exactly
20 how 14 percent can be excessive if 22 percent is
21 okay.
22 Another area that they have identified as
23 being the basis for their denial is that they
24 looked at our learning objectives and said that
25 they were too low.
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1 But, in fact, in their wording, they have
2 actually left off the baseline upon which we are
3 measuring our students' success. Our baseline
4 is based upon how well the students are
5 succeeding in the public schools before they
6 come to us. That success in the public schools
7 is our baseline.
8 We measure all of our students' success on
9 how much they improve in our school over where
10 they were when they were in the other public
11 schools in Duval public school system.
12 In fact, our academic objectives state that
13 36 percent of our students will improve
14 academically in our charter school, as compared
15 with where they were when they were in the
16 public schools of Duval. If they aren't in the
17 Duval public schools, we expect a minimum of
18 36 percent to be successful in our school.
19 Thirty-six percent of our students will
20 attend more often. Truancy is a major problem.
21 We say that we can bring students into the
22 public schools more often than they are now in
23 the public schools.
24 So getting them in school, being
25 academically successful.
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1 (Treasurer Nelson exited the room.)
2 DR. RADER: Another area that -- of our
3 objectives that they were concerned about was --
4 dealt with the one room, one -- one teacher, one
5 room schoolhouse concept.
6 Now, most of you understand that when
7 you're dealing with destructive students who are
8 at risk, that the more that they can move around
9 in a school building, the more likely they are
10 to be disruptive in nature.
11 Our concept is to have one teacher work
12 with the students for the entire day. If it's
13 necessary to move around to have different
14 teachers teach the students, we don't move the
15 students, we move the teachers.
16 The idea is to keep down the disruption,
17 keep down the distractions, keep down the time
18 in which students can cause problems among
19 themselves.
20 The second part of that process says that
21 we -- we are failing to provide certified
22 teachers in our application. Our application
23 clearly states that we will be providing
24 certified teachers.
25 The application goes on to say that we will
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1 show those certifications to the parents when
2 they register their children to our school.
3 It even further goes on to say that we will
4 post those teacher certifications in the
5 teacher's classrooms.
6 So how can they say we're not going to have
7 certified teachers if we're going to post the
8 certifications?
9 Another area that they have identified as
10 being of concern to them is that they have said
11 that we -- I've not shown a commitment to
12 fulfilling the Court ordered desegregation plan
13 that the Duval public schools is under.
14 When we were first given the application
15 process, we were given a copy of the Court
16 ordered desegregation plan. We were told that
17 all charter schools must abide by that plan.
18 We agreed to do so at that time. It was a
19 given to us. It was like buying a car. We
20 assume there's four tires on that car. So it's
21 a given.
22 We later were asked in the review process
23 if -- if we would agree to fulfilling the
24 Duval -- the desegregation plan. We again said,
25 yes, we will do so.
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1 Finally, there is a -- a concern that
2 they've addressed as one of their bases as being
3 a lack of community support. I'd like to tell
4 you about our community support.
5 Our partner in this entire process has been
6 the Police Athletic League of Jacksonville. The
7 Police Athletic League of Jacksonville began an
8 association with us almost immediately when we
9 began developing our charter school
10 application.
11 Over the past six months, we have developed
12 a very close relationship. The Police Athletic
13 League of Jacksonville has been a successful
14 operation there since 1972. They're governed by
15 a volunteer board, they're a nonprofit
16 organization, they serve 10,500 students
17 annually in the Duval public schools.
18 They are staffed with seven police officers
19 provided by the Sheriff's Department, six
20 full-time employees, twelve part time employees,
21 and over 400 volunteers that's mostly
22 community -- community leaders and parents that
23 are volunteering to work with these children.
24 Our charter school will be housed at the
25 Police Athletic League of Jacksonville. This
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1 will give the students an opportunity to not
2 only be educated with the police presence, but
3 police will participate in the educational
4 process itself.
5 For teachers and for administrators of
6 public schools, we have talked for years about
7 developing partnerships. This is a perfect
8 partnership that we see.
9 I would like to point out in the audience
10 that we do have several people here that are
11 representing the PAL organization. They've been
12 here with us almost each and every time.
13 Mr. Alton Yates, who is the
14 Executive Director of the Police Athletic League
15 of Jacksonville is here; Mr. Darryl Henderson,
16 who is a Leadership Director of the Police
17 Athletic League of Jacksonville; and
18 Officer Thigpen from the Sheriff's Department of
19 the Duval Sheriff's Department.
20 Our partnership is very important to us.
21 We would like to expand that partnership and
22 have the partnership be a three-way
23 partnership: The charter school, the public
24 school, and the Police Athletic League.
25 A little bit about us before I -- I stop.
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1 The Rader Schools has been in operation for
2 two years. We operate the largest charter
3 school for at-risk kids in the state of Florida
4 now.
5 We started in Okaloosa County because
6 they -- Okaloosa County School Board asked us to
7 come in and help them with their problem of
8 dealing with disruptive kids in the schools.
9 We came in two years ago. This past year,
10 they approved us as a charter. Our initial
11 agreement was that we would serve 60 students.
12 At the end of the first year, we were at
13 258 students registered by their parents, by
14 choice, to our school.
15 Today we're at 330 students. We're almost
16 at maximum capacity already. We have had some
17 phenomenal success with our school.
18 Just to give you some examples: We have
19 79 percent of our parents say that they are
20 happy and more satisfied with the education in
21 our charter school than they were when the
22 students were in the other public schools.
23 We have had 61 percent fewer suspensions of
24 our students in Okaloosa County than before they
25 came to us. Sixty-one percent of the students
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1 that came to us had fewer suspensions. They
2 were off the roads.
3 Eighty-six percent of our students improved
4 their academic ability during one year at our
5 school. We're already setting them on the town
6 of being successful.
7 And lastly, I would like to say that this
8 past month, we graduated seven students from a
9 charter school for at-risk kids who probably
10 would not have graduated from public school.
11 At least one of them is already in a
12 community college with a four-year scholarship.
13 I think it is very important that we look at
14 opportunities, look at creative programs, and
15 I think we have one.
16 If you look at the reasons why Duval
17 turned -- denied our application, I think they
18 are unjust, unfound, and in error.
19 Thank you.
20 MR. PIERSON: Representing Duval County
21 School Board, we have Associate Superintendent,
22 Dr. Cline.
23 MR. CLINE: Good morning.
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: Good morning.
25 MR. CLINE: My name is Charles Cline. I'm
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1 the Associate Superintendent for Instruction
2 with the Duval County Public Schools.
3 First, I want to emphasize the Duval County
4 School District strong support for schools of
5 choice. The District has 81 magnet school
6 programs, and schools with magnet programs that
7 provide more than 15,000 students with exciting
8 and meaningful educational opportunities that
9 the students and their parents can select.
10 The District also has a strong policy on
11 encouraging special transfers for students who
12 desire to enroll in a school outside their
13 immediate neighborhood. And over 8,000 students
14 are taking advantage of that -- of that policy.
15 We have three charter schools in operation,
16 and a fourth one that has just been approved and
17 set to go in the '98-'99 school year. And,
18 therefore, we'll have over 400 students in
19 charter schools.
20 It is a standard practice for the staff
21 member who directly oversees the charter schools
22 process to work closely with applicants, and to
23 encourage them. He does assist them in
24 identifying local and district educational
25 needs.
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1 The person provides extensive orientation
2 about the application process, and he does
3 provide information on our desegregation
4 requirements. And those requirements are
5 clearly explained and the import-- and the
6 significance of those requirements.
7 He gives technical assistance in the
8 preparation of the applicant's proposal.
9 But what I think the District is most proud
10 of is the systematic follow-up and support for
11 our approved charter schools. Hundreds of
12 man-hours are spent in supporting the District's
13 charter schools through technical meetings for
14 information. There are -- those technical
15 meetings are held on a regular basis.
16 Problem solving sessions as needed range
17 from food service to educational assessment
18 issues; teacher training and coaching is made
19 available to those charter schools; and school
20 site visitations are conducted by appropriate
21 staff.
22 And any other special meetings are arranged
23 at charter -- at a charter school's request.
24 The District's consistent, proactive, and
25 strong support for schools of choice can't be
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1 refuted just by the fact that the District
2 denied the Rader School, Inc., a charter
3 application.
4 It is true that the District is careful
5 about who it approves because the Dist-- the
6 District, our students, have to live with the
7 consequence of a decision to give an applicant a
8 school charter.
9 I believe the most important fact about
10 this matter is that the Board made a
11 knowledgeable decision.
12 The Duval County School Board did have all
13 applications, committee comments, ratings, the
14 applicant's videotaped interviews. They had all
15 of that information to evaluate.
16 The Rader Group did know about the
17 committee's concerns and the basis for the
18 committee's unwillingness to recommend them to
19 the Board for a charter prior to the
20 School Board meeting.
21 The Rader Group, Inc., did write the
22 Superintendent and the Board prior to that
23 meeting in an attempt to explain away the
24 committee's basis for not recommending them.
25 The Board did extensively discuss
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1 The Rader Group application, and was aware of
2 their explanations.
3 The School Board did vote to deny
4 The Rader Group advancement to the contract
5 negotiation stage, even after this extensive
6 debate, and even after an amendment to add them
7 to the list was made by one of the Board
8 members.
9 The Board did, after a careful
10 consideration of all available information, did
11 approve the committee's recommendation, and
12 instructed the staff to develop a contract with
13 one applicant that the committee recommended at
14 this time.
15 The School Board carried out its
16 responsibility to carefully review all
17 applicants, and select what they collectively
18 believed was the best for their system's
19 children.
20 In addition, the review committee's
21 concerns about The Rader Group School, Inc.'s,
22 application were valid. There was little or no
23 evidence of local support and involvement
24 present in the written application at the time
25 that that application was submitted, even though
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1 this part of the application is clearly a
2 significant component of the District's
3 application procedures, and applicants are told
4 specifically what the reviewers will look for in
5 evaluating their proposals.
6 This information which now appears so
7 evident was lacking in their application, and,
8 indeed, during their oral interviews. It was
9 not a great explanation about this relationship
10 which now has -- appears to be flowering.
11 The controlling board of The Rader School,
12 Inc., had no community representation. The
13 Rader Group, Inc., appeared to be the only one
14 represented on the Board. Again, although local
15 community representation is specifically asked
16 for in the applications process and format.
17 The learning objectives that Dr. Rader
18 talked about -- their level was not impressive
19 to the committee, primarily because similar
20 District programs that deal with at-risk
21 students have achieved greater level of success
22 already.
23 And what we were looking for, obviously,
24 was innovation, and certainly more success for
25 our students than was indicated in the learner
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1 objectives.
2 The majority of the students at the Rader
3 school would be standard students. And another
4 cohort would -- was indicated would be
5 exceptional education students. Such student
6 groups would need teachers who are specifically
7 certified in their -- their subject areas,
8 and/or areas of disability.
9 Such varied certification requirements
10 appeared to the committee to be difficult to
11 achieve, utilizing the Rader School, Inc.'s, one
12 teacher, one classroom model.
13 The Rader School, Inc., did not present any
14 evidence of a plan, written or oral, that
15 indicated a strong commitment and/or possibility
16 to achieve a District's legal -- legal
17 obligation to meet its desegregation goals.
18 Duval County is under a very strict Court
19 order to meet a specific set of desegregation
20 goals in operating and opening any new school.
21 GOVERNOR CHILES: Mr. Superintendent, what
22 kind of plan was presented by the two charter
23 schools that you have that are all black? Did
24 they present a specific plan?
25 MR. CLINE: We do not have any schools that
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1 are all black currently, were charter schools.
2 And the one -- we've now been requested and --
3 and strongly required to have some indication
4 about what steps the charter applicant will take
5 to ensure that the schools do open and achieve
6 these goals.
7 In fact, any school -- any of the existing
8 charter schools who are failing to meet those
9 goals have now been issued a letter by the
10 Superintendent that unless such a plan is
11 prepared and implemented to the satisfaction of
12 the District staff and the General Counsel,
13 that's -- those schools may have to be closed.
14 We do not want to have to repeat that again with
15 any of our new applicants.
16 As I indicated in conclusion, I believe
17 that the Board did act responsibly in not
18 approving the chart-- Rader School's, Inc.,
19 application.
20 The State law specifies that the Board as
21 the legal sponsor of its charter schools has a
22 legal and moral responsibility, subject to
23 appeal, to exercise care and informed judgment
24 in awarding organizations such charters.
25 It is in the best interest of the children
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1 of Duval County that the School Board be allowed
2 to proceed in a deliberate and prudent and wise
3 manner in deciding who it allows to educate its
4 County's children.
5 Remember, we and our children have to live
6 with the consequences of the decision on which
7 applicant gets a charter school.
8 Thank you.
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: Mr. Superintendent, did
10 you consider the fact that there is an existing
11 charter school that's run by these same people,
12 and did you look at that school?
13 MR. CLINE: Yes, sir, I did call -- I
14 personally called. And --
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, sir.
16 MR. CLINE: -- my understanding, it started
17 out as a contract school, sir.
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, sir. But it is a --
19 is it a charter school now?
20 MR. CLINE: I am not aware. That's in
21 Okaloosa County. I'm not aware whether they
22 call it -- count it now as a charter or a
23 contract school. But it started out as a
24 contract school.
25 In fact, our interest in -- first
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1 initial --
2 (Treasurer Nelson entered the room.)
3 MR. CLINE: -- interest, as I understand it
4 from our staff member, in The Rader Group was
5 because of their past history of running
6 contract schools, specifically for at-risk
7 students.
8 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Governor, I -- I'd like
9 to ask a question.
10 What is the difference -- I mean, I
11 don't -- I don't know what a contract school is
12 versus a charter school.
13 Can you tell me what that is?
14 MR. CLINE: Well, usually a contract school
15 does not really require the -- the amount of
16 local support and partnership that we like to
17 see. That's -- it's usually a private vendor,
18 an Edison -- I don't know if you've heard about
19 the Edison model schools -- or a group of
20 businessmen, educators get together, and they --
21 they take over a school, you know, in a
22 particular school district, under a specific --
23 with a specific contract.
24 That's a major -- it's usually a
25 corporation or a vendor that does --
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1 SECRETARY MORTHAM: So are you saying that
2 the Okaloosa school is a contract school, or a
3 charter school?
4 MR. CLINE: I cannot -- I was told that
5 that's how it started, yes. I don't --
6 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Well, is it now a
7 charter school, or is it a contract school?
8 MR. CLINE: I don't know that -- that
9 answer. I can't answer for Okaloosa County.
10 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Governor, may I
11 follow-up on that for a second?
12 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, sir.
13 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: With the reference
14 to the community support, referring to the
15 contract versus the charter school.
16 One of the issues here is apparently
17 community support. And the Board indicated that
18 they didn't feel that they had community
19 support.
20 And I -- I'd like to just understand really
21 in my own mind how the P-A-L doesn't step up to
22 being a -- a community support vehicle to,
23 in fact, reach the level of community support
24 required for the charter school program, as you
25 make the difference between charter and
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1 contract.
2 MR. CLINE: Yes.
3 Mr. Milligan, I think the Board, as well as
4 the committee, if it had that information at
5 that time -- you know, there's only a certain
6 period of time that we have in order to make a
7 decision.
8 I think in order to be fair to all the
9 other applicants, we could continue to expand
10 that time, go on and on until all of the
11 deficiencies are remedied.
12 At the time that the application was
13 submitted, even though we had worked very
14 carefully with The Rader Group, there was no
15 evidence that they had any community support,
16 even though it is a major or significant
17 component --
18 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: And you certainly --
19 MR. CLINE: -- application.
20 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: -- and you certainly
21 would consider that support being major
22 community support then.
23 MR. CLINE: At -- at this time if we had
24 that information.
25 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Uh-hum.
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1 MR. CLINE: We did not have that
2 information --
3 GOVERNOR CHILES: You did have -- but did
4 you -- didn't you have that information by the
5 time the Board voted?
6 My understanding was that you had -- your
7 committee issued their sort of report and their
8 findings to the proponents, and that they then
9 replied to that, and that that report was issued
10 before the School Board took its -- its vote.
11 MR. CLINE: It was issued to the Board,
12 yes. And they did -- they did consider it. If
13 you --
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: Did you hear --
15 MR. CLINE: -- if you saw --
16 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- did you hear from them
17 then before -- before the School Board made its
18 decision?
19 MR. CLINE: I had a visit indicating that a
20 facility would be made available to them. I did
21 not know the extent of the -- of the
22 relationship.
23 We -- I did have one visit prior -- prior
24 to that that -- that a very nice facility would
25 be made available which The Rader Group would --
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1 would rent.
2 I did inform all committee members to see
3 if that would change their response. I did not
4 hear anything back from them.
5 That information was shared with the Board
6 and discussed at the Board meeting. And
7 considering all factors, they still moved ahead
8 and they -- to deny their -- their application
9 at this time.
10 The info-- if we'd have had all of that
11 evidence through the evaluation process, and on
12 a timely basis, we might -- we might have been
13 able to make a -- kind of arrive at a different
14 decision.
15 But that would be true of all of the
16 applicants that we -- that applied. If we could
17 remedy and spend enough time to remedy all of
18 their deficiencies.
19 There is only so much time provided for the
20 law in order for them to have the time to
21 appeal.
22 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: But that --
23 GOVERNOR CHILES: Well, obviously, what --
24 you know, what we're looking for is the best
25 charter schools that we can find.
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1 MR. CLINE: We are, too, sir.
2 GOVERNOR CHILES: And -- yes, sir. I mean,
3 all of us should be looking for that.
4 And -- and I don't think we're looking to
5 just see how we keep someone from getting an
6 application.
7 MR. CLINE: That's true, sir.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: That I think is one
9 reason that maybe, you know, your committee made
10 its recommen-- or gave its findings to the
11 proponents of the school before the Board had
12 actually taken its vote.
13 And it seems to me that it would be wise,
14 when an application is filed, for someone to
15 look at that application and say, we think
16 you're deficient in two, three, and four, and
17 then render some time in which they could fill
18 that.
19 The hard decision for us -- we've done --
20 only sent one of these back, I believe, to a
21 School Board since it's come back. We've upheld
22 the School Board on every other one, and prone
23 to look in that direction.
24 At the same time, when we find one that has
25 a successful track record somewhere, and it
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1 appears from what we've heard when you see
2 something like no community support, and then
3 you see the Police Athletic League, which we all
4 know something about in Duval County, which has
5 been a very successful operation for lo a number
6 of years, then, you know, we begin to wonder,
7 what the heck's going on?
8 Obviously somebody got off the track, and I
9 don't know whether it's personality or what.
10 But -- but this is very difficult for us
11 to -- to be able to understand, and I have not
12 heard you say this morning -- let me say, in the
13 findings of the Board, anything that -- that we
14 don't think has kind of been answered.
15 And so, you know, it's hard for us to get
16 our minds around why this is turned down. Now,
17 it looks -- they probably missed this September
18 already regardless.
19 But it -- it looks like to me that
20 the Board ought to take another look at this
21 application now, and determine, you know,
22 whether they're -- whether it meets all these
23 qualifications.
24 MR. CLINE: Well, sir, I think that's
25 always been staff's plan, to continue to work
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1 with anyone who's interested in opening a
2 charter school.
3 We have -- we have done that in the past.
4 But we only have a particular time frame in
5 which to make a -- a -- a decision to both
6 recommend and develop a contract in order to
7 open at a -- at the beginning of the school.
8 We have a decision period in order to
9 make -- a time period in order to make a
10 decision.
11 But the School District has always been
12 open to continuing dialogue in trying to make
13 sure that the deficiencies are -- are cured so
14 that a -- any organization that was interested
15 in a charter school will eventually get that
16 charter, if we believe that that's in the best
17 interest of our students.
18 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Let me ask this:
19 When they first -- when The Rader Group first
20 proposed the charter school, did they not have a
21 relationship with the Police Athletic League at
22 that time?
23 MR. CLINE: We were unaware of it,
24 particularly reading their -- their written
25 applications. The information that I received
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1 and understood as we looked at -- when we went
2 through the second phase, which is an oral
3 presentation, we bring the group in and we ask
4 them specific questions.
5 What I got out of that was that they had
6 found a building and were going to have that
7 type of relationship with them, as opposed to
8 the kind of, I think, in-depth relationship that
9 is being portrayed at this time.
10 We did not have that information.
11 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: But as the Governor
12 pointed out, I think it is a matter of record at
13 your Board meeting that that item was discussed.
14 MR. CLINE: Yes, it did.
15 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Before the vote was
16 taken.
17 MR. CLINE: That's correct.
18 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Governor, I --
19 SECRETARY MORTHAM: And -- go ahead.
20 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: I'm sorry,
21 Secretary.
22 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Go ahead.
23 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: I just want to throw
24 in a piece of information.
25 I asked staff, and they did tell me that
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1 the -- the school in Okaloosa County is a
2 charter school. I just wanted you to have that
3 information.
4 I'm sorry, Secretary.
5 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Well, if I can --
6 you know, this -- Governor, I support fully your
7 comment that, you know, we've been very, very
8 careful about how we handle these charter school
9 appeals, and which ones we accept, and which
10 ones we reject.
11 And, you know, after going through the
12 transcript and -- and the conversations we've
13 heard here this morning, you know, there's
14 enough concern on my part to warrant that we've
15 got a strong partnership here with the Police
16 Athletic League of Jacksonville, it's an
17 innovative approach that the Rader folks have
18 proposed, it's an opportunity for at-risk kids.
19 So I would make a motion, Governor, that --
20 in accordance with the Florida Charter School
21 Law, that I move the State Board of Education
22 reject the decision of the Duval County
23 School Board, and further move that the Rader
24 charter school application be remanded to the
25 Duval County School Board with a recommendation
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1 that the School Board approve the application
2 unless it determines by competent, substantial
3 evidence that approving Rader's application
4 would be contrary to law or contrary to the best
5 interests of the peoples of the community.
6 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: That's been moved and
8 seconded.
9 Is there discussion?
10 So many as favor, signify by saying aye.
11 THE CABINET: Aye.
12 GOVERNOR CHILES: Opposed, no.
13 The ayes have it. It -- the recommendation
14 is passed.
15 MR. PIERSON: Item 3 is adoption of the
16 Thirteenth Supplemental Authorizing Resolution
17 to the Master Authorizing Resolution authorizing
18 the issuance of not exceeding $500,000, State of
19 Florida, full faith and credit, State --
20 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move --
21 MR. PIERSON: -- of Florida --
22 SECRETARY MORTHAM: -- approval.
23 MR. PIERSON: -- State Board of Educ--
24 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Second.
25 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
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1 Without objection, it's approved.
2 MR. PIERSON: Item 4 is College Reach Out
3 Program.
4 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
5 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
7 Without objection, it's approved.
8 MR. PIERSON: Item 5 is Rule 6A-4.006,
9 Amendment, General and Professional Preparation,
10 which is -- we recommend deferral to the next
11 meeting.
12 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move deferral.
13 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
15 Without objection, Item 5 is deferred.
16 MR. PIERSON: Item 6 is Amendment to
17 6A-4.01761, and we recommend deferral to the
18 next meeting.
19 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move deferral.
20 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
21 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
22 Without objection, that's deferred.
23 MR. PIERSON: Item 7 is an Amendment to
24 Rule 6A-6.03012, and the recommendation is
25 deferral to the next meeting.
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1 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move deferral.
2 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
3 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
4 Without objection, that's deferred.
5 MR. PIERSON: Item 8 is Rule 6A-14.0301
6 amendment, Withdrawal and Forgiveness.
7 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
8 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
10 Without objection, it's approved.
11 MR. PIERSON: Item 9 is Rule 6F-2.0016,
12 Amendment, Change in Control.
13 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
14 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
16 Without objection, that's approved.
17 MR. PIERSON: Item 10 is Rule 6F-2.0017,
18 Amendment, Student Protection Fund.
19 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
20 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
21 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
22 Without objection, it's approved.
23 MR. PIERSON: Item 11 is an appointment to
24 the Board of Regents: Adolfo Henriques,
25 expiration date of term, January 1st, 2000.
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1 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the appointment.
2 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
3 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
4 Without objection, it's approved.
5 MR. PIERSON: Item 12 is an appointment to
6 the District Board of Trustees, Palm Beach
7 County Community College: Ann M. Rezzonico,
8 expiration term, May 31st, 2002.
9 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the appointment.
10 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
11 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
12 Without objection, it's approved.
13 MR. PIERSON: Item 13, reappointments to
14 the District Board of Trustees, Pasco-Hernando
15 Community College: Mark E. Browning, date of
16 term, May 31st, 2002; Carole A. Pearson, date of
17 term, May 31st, 2002; Mitchell Davis, Jr., date
18 of term, May 31st, 2002.
19 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the
20 reappointments.
21 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
23 Without objection, it's approved.
24 MR. PIERSON: Item 14, reappointments to
25 the District Board of Trustees, Hillsborough
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1 Community College: Mary A. Stiles, expiration
2 date of term, May 31st, 2002; John L. Dicks,
3 expiration date of term, May 31st, 2002.
4 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the
5 reappointments.
6 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
8 Without objection, it's approved.
9 MR. PIERSON: Item 15, appointments and
10 reappointment to the District Board of Trustees,
11 Manatee Community College. On your agenda,
12 there is an error on the appointee:
13 Mary M. Watts, the correct expiration date
14 of term is May 31st, 2000. And --
15 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: I will --
16 I'm sorry. I --
17 MR. PIERSON: The reappointment is
18 A. Lamar Matthews, Jr., date, May 31st, 2002.
19 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the appointment
20 as corrected, and the reappointment.
21 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: Is there a second?
23 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: Second.
25 Without objection, it's approved.
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1 MR. PIERSON: Item 16, appointments to the
2 District Board of Trustees, Central Florida
3 Community College: Carol P. Runnels, May 31st,
4 2002; and Patricia M. Kilgore, May 31st, 2002.
5 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the
6 appointments.
7 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
9 Without objection, it's approved.
10 MR. PIERSON: Item 17, reappointments to
11 the District Board of Trustees, Florida
12 Community College at Jacksonville:
13 Reappointees, Joseph S. Bryan, Jr., May 31st,
14 2002; and John A. Wiggins, May 31st, 2002.
15 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the
16 reappointments.
17 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
19 Without objection, it's approved.
20 MR. PIERSON: Thank you.
21 (The State Board of Education Agenda was
22 concluded.)
23 (The Cabinet meeting was concluded at
24 11:15 a.m.)
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5 COUNTY OF LEON:
6 I, LAURIE L. GILBERT, do hereby certify that
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