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          2                  T H E   C A B I N E T
 
          3             S T A T E   O F   F L O R I D A
 
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                                 Representing:
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                          STATE BOARD OF ADMINISTRATION
          6                  DIVISION OF BOND FINANCE
                              DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE
          7                  STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION
                           ADMINISTRATION COMMISSION
          8                  FLORIDA LAND AND WATER
                             ADJUDICATORY COMMISSION
          9                  TRUSTEES OF THE INTERNAL
                              IMPROVEMENT TRUST FUND
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         11            The above agencies came to be heard before
              THE FLORIDA CABINET, Honorable Governor Chiles
         12   presiding, in the Cabinet Meeting Room, LL-03,
              The Capitol, Tallahassee, Florida, on Tuesday,
         13   July 23, 1996, commencing at approximately 9:55 a.m.
 
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         16                       Reported by:
 
         17                    LAURIE L. GILBERT
                        Registered Professional Reporter
         18                 Certified Court Reporter
                            Notary Public in and for
         19              the State of Florida at Large
 
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          1   APPEARANCES:
 
          2            Representing the Florida Cabinet:
 
          3            LAWTON CHILES
                       Governor
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                       BOB CRAWFORD
          5            Commissioner of Agriculture
 
          6            BOB MILLIGAN
                       Comptroller
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                       SANDRA B. MORTHAM
          8            Secretary of State
 
          9            BOB BUTTERWORTH
                       Attorney General
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                       BILL NELSON
         11            Treasurer
 
         12            FRANK T. BROGAN
                       Commissioner of Education
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          1                        I N D E X
 
          2   ITEM                  ACTION                PAGE
 
          3   STATE BOARD OF ADMINISTRATION:
              (Presented by Barbara Jarriel,
          4       Acting Executive Director)
 
          5    1                  Approved                  6
               2                  Approved                  7
          6    3                  Approved                  7
               4                  Approved                  8
          7    5                  Approved                  8
               6                  Approved                  8
          8    7                  Approved                  9
               8                  Approved                  9
          9    9                  Approved                 10
              10                  Approved                 11
         10   11                  Approved                 16
 
         11   DIVISION OF BOND FINANCE:
              (Presented by J. Ben Watkins, III,
         12       Director)
 
         13    1                  Approved                 17
               2                  Approved                 17
         14    3                  Approved                 18
               4                  Approved                 18
         15    5                  Approved                 18
               6                  Approved                 19
         16    7                  Approved                 19
 
         17   DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE:
              (Presented by L.H. Fuchs,
         18       Executive Director)
 
         19    1                  Approved                 21
               2                  Approved                 21
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          1                         I N D E X
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              ITEM                  ACTION                PAGE
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              STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION:
          4   (Presented by Robert L. Bedford, Ph.D.,
                  Deputy Commissioner)
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               1                  Approved                 23
          6    2                  Approved                 24
               3                  Approved                 25
          7    4                  Approved                 25
               5                  Approved                 25
          8    6                  Approved                 26
               7                  Deferred                 26
          9    8                  Approved                 26
               9                  Approved                 27
         10   10                  Approved                 28
              11                  Approved                 28
         11   12                  Approved                 28
              13                  Approved                 29
         12   14                  Approved                 29
              15                  Approved                 29
         13   16                  Approved                 39
 
         14   ADMINISTRATION COMMISSION:
              (Presented by Robert B. Bradley, Ph.D.,
         15       Secretary)
 
         16    1                  Approved                 40
               2                  Approved                 40
         17    3                  Approved                 41
               4                  Approved                 41
         18    5                  Approved                 41
               6                  Approved                196
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              FLORIDA LAND AND WATER ADJUDICATORY COMMISSION:
         20   (Presented by Robert B. Bradley, Ph.D.,
                  Secretary)
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               1                  Approved                 43
         22    2                  Approved                 43
               3                  Approved                 44
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                                   (Continued)
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              ITEM                  ACTION                PAGE
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              BOARD OF TRUSTEES,
          4   INTERNAL IMPROVEMENT
              TRUST FUND:
          5   (Presented by Virginia B. Wetherell,
                  Secretary)
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               1                  Approved                 45
          7    2                  Approved                 45
               3                  Approved                 46
          8    4                  Approved                 46
               5                  Approved                 46
          9    6                  Approved                 46
               7                  Approved                 47
         10    8                  Approved                 47
               9                  Approved                 72
         11   10                  Deferred                 76
              11                  Approved                 77
         12   12                  Approved                 77
              13                  Deferred                133
         13   14                  Approved                133
              15                  Approved                156
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         15            CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER            197
 
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          1                  P R O C E E D I N G S
 
          2            (The agenda items commenced at 10:41 a.m.)
 
          3            GOVERNOR CHILES:  And today is the last
 
          4       Cabinet meeting for Carmelia Bugbee.  She is
 
          5       moving over to my scheduling office.
 
          6            I want to thank Carmelia for all of her
 
          7       work in helping to make these meetings go as
 
          8       smoothly, and for taking care of many details
 
          9       that Danny and Curtis can't handle.  I know the
 
         10       other Cabinet members and the staff are going to
 
         11       miss her assistance with all of the projects.
 
         12            Maybe we won't have as many resolutions
 
         13       now.  She was too accommodating on that I think.
 
         14            But we want to thank you very much, and
 
         15       good luck to you.
 
         16            State Board of Administration.
 
         17            MS. JARRIEL:  Good morning.
 
         18            The first item we have this morning is
 
         19       approval of the meetings -- approval of the
 
         20       minutes of the meeting held on July 9th, 1996.
 
         21            TREASURER NELSON:  I move it.
 
         22            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  And second.
 
         23            GOVERNOR CHILES:  It's been moved and
 
         24       seconded.
 
         25            Without objection, that's approved.

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          1            MS. JARRIEL:  The next item is a
 
          2       recommendation to approve fiscal sufficiency,
 
          3       not to exceed six million six hundred and fifty
 
          4       thousand Florida Housing Finance Agency Revenue
 
          5       Bonds, Vizcaya Villas project.
 
          6            TREASURER NELSON:  I move it.
 
          7            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  Second.
 
          8            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
          9            Without objection, Item 2 is approved.
 
         10            MS. JARRIEL:  Next item is also a
 
         11       recommendation to approve fiscal sufficiency not
 
         12       to exceed 19 million Florida Housing
 
         13       Finance Agency revenue bonds, Center Court
 
         14       Apartments project.
 
         15            TREASURER NELSON:  Move it.
 
         16            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  Second.
 
         17            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         18            Without objection, that's approved.
 
         19            MS. JARRIEL:  Next, a recommendation to
 
         20       approve fiscal sufficiency not to exceed
 
         21       four million five hundred and thirty thousand,
 
         22       Florida Housing Finance Agency Revenue Bonds,
 
         23       Mystic Woods, Phase II Apartments projects.
 
         24            TREASURER NELSON:  Move it.
 
         25            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  Second.

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          1            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
          2            Without objection, Item 4 is approved.
 
          3            MS. JARRIEL:  Item number 5, recommendation
 
          4       to approve fiscal sufficiency not to exceed
 
          5       two hundred and fifty million State of Florida
 
          6       State Board of Education PECO bonds, Series A.
 
          7            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  Motion.
 
          8            TREASURER NELSON:  Second.
 
          9            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Motion and second.
 
         10            Without objection, the item is approved.
 
         11            MS. JARRIEL:  Item number 6, a
 
         12       recommendation to approve fiscal sufficiency not
 
         13       to exceed seven million eight hundred thousand
 
         14       Florida Housing Finance Agency revenue bonds,
 
         15       The Landings at Sea Forest Apartments project.
 
         16            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  Motion.
 
         17            TREASURER NELSON:  Second.
 
         18            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         19            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         20            MS. JARRIEL:  Item number 7, a
 
         21       recommendation to approve fiscal sufficiency not
 
         22       to exceed eleven million one hundred and five
 
         23       thousand Florida Housing Finance Agency Revenue
 
         24       Bonds, Leigh Meadows Apartments project.
 
         25            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  Motion.

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          1            TREASURER NELSON:  Second.
 
          2            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
          3            Without objection, it's approved.
 
          4            MS. JARRIEL:  Item number 8, a
 
          5       recommendation to approve fiscal sufficiency not
 
          6       to exceed twelve million five hundred thousand
 
          7       Florida Housing Finance Agency Revenue Bonds,
 
          8       Stoddert Arms project.
 
          9            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  Motion.
 
         10            TREASURER NELSON:  Second.
 
         11            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and --
 
         12            TREASURER NELSON:  Second.
 
         13            GOVERNOR CHILES:  -- seconded.
 
         14            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         15            MS. JARRIEL:  Item number 9 relates to the
 
         16       Florida Hurricane Catastrophe Fund.  We request
 
         17       that the Trustees adopt a resolution which
 
         18       determines that the issuance of bonds will
 
         19       maximize our ability to meet our obligations,
 
         20       and to approve the form, and authorize the
 
         21       execution of a pledge and security agreement for
 
         22       the issuance of said bonds.
 
         23            TREASURER NELSON:  I move it.
 
         24            And, Governor, I might just say that the
 
         25       Florida Hurricane Catastrophe Fund now has the

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          1       capability of bonding about $5 billion.  And,
 
          2       of course, a bond issue of that magnitude,
 
          3       you're talking about a huge draw on the
 
          4       financial markets.
 
          5            And what they're trying to do is to get it
 
          6       in line so that they could go quickly into the
 
          7       market and float those bonds if we had a big
 
          8       catastrophe.
 
          9            So they're doing the right thing here.
 
         10            GOVERNOR CHILES:  There's a motion.
 
         11            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  And second.
 
         12            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Second.
 
         13            Without objection, that's approved.
 
         14            You're not saying that you want to use
 
         15       those right now.
 
         16            TREASURER NELSON:  No, I don't want to use
 
         17       them at all.
 
         18            As a matter of fact, we've got a cushion
 
         19       now, by the end of the year, we'll have
 
         20       $1.4 billion in the trust fund.
 
         21            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Thank you.
 
         22            You're not bragging.
 
         23            TREASURER NELSON:  I'm just saying, I'm
 
         24       thankful we have a cushion.  I don't want to use
 
         25       it.  I want that thing to keep building and

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          1       building and building, and not to draw on it.
 
          2            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Absolutely.
 
          3            MS. JARRIEL:  Item number 10, the Acting
 
          4       Executive Director submits for your review and
 
          5       approval, Investment Performance and Fund
 
          6       Balance Analyses Reports for the month of May
 
          7       and June.
 
          8            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  Motion.
 
          9            TREASURER NELSON:  Second.
 
         10            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         11            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         12            MS. JARRIEL:  Item number 11 relates to the
 
         13       Florida Hurricane Catastrophe Fund Finance
 
         14       Corporation.
 
         15            Under Statute 215.555(6), the Florida
 
         16       Hurricane Catastrophe Fund Finance Corporation
 
         17       was created.  Since the members of the State
 
         18       Board of Administration are named under this
 
         19       statute as members of the Board of Directors for
 
         20       this corporation, the organizational --
 
         21            (Commissioner Crawford exited the room.)
 
         22            MS. JARRIEL:  -- meeting of this
 
         23       corporation is being held in conjunction with
 
         24       the SBA agenda.
 
         25            At this time, I would like to introduce

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          1       Jack Nicholson, the Chief Operating Officer of
 
          2       the Florida Hurricane Catastrophe Fund; and
 
          3       Ben Watkins, Director of the Division of
 
          4       Bond Finance.  These two individuals comprise
 
          5       the remainder of the Board of Directors for this
 
          6       corporation.
 
          7            At this time, this concludes the SBA
 
          8       agenda.
 
          9            (The State Board of Administration Agenda
 
         10       was concluded.)
 
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          1            MS. JARRIEL:  And, Governor, we ask that
 
          2       you call the organizational meeting of this
 
          3       Financing Corporation to order.
 
          4            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Meeting is called to
 
          5       order.
 
          6            MR. NICHOLSON:  Governor, let me provide a
 
          7       little background.  As Barbara mentioned,
 
          8       Committee Substitute for Senate Bill 2314
 
          9       created section 215.555(6)(c) of
 
         10       Florida Statutes, which creates the Florida
 
         11       Hurricane Catastrophe Fund Finance Corporation.
 
         12            It's a public benefit corporation for the
 
         13       purpose of facilitating the issuance of bonds if
 
         14       financing is needed after --
 
         15            (Commissioner Crawford entered the room.)
 
         16            MR. NICHOLSON:  -- a catastrophic
 
         17       hurricane.  The Directors of the Corporation
 
         18       include the Governor, or his designee; the
 
         19       Comptroller, or his designee; or the
 
         20       Treasurer -- and the Treasurer and his
 
         21       designee.  In addition, the Director of the
 
         22       Division of Bond Finance of the SBA,
 
         23       Ben Watkins; and the Chief Operating Officer of
 
         24       the Florida Hurricane Catastrophe Fund, the
 
         25       position which I hold.

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          1            Further, the statute requires the issuance
 
          2       of bonds by the corporation to be validated at
 
          3       the Florida Supreme Court.
 
          4            The Florida Hurricane Catastrophe Fund
 
          5       Finance Corporation will allow us to effect --
 
          6       effectively self register bonds, and be in a
 
          7       position to respond quicker following a major --
 
          8            (Secretary Mortham exited the room.)
 
          9            MR. NICHOLSON:  -- hurricane catastrophe,
 
         10       and avoid unnecessary costs and expenses.  The
 
         11       bonds would only be issued if assets of the
 
         12       Cat Fund are inadequate to pay claims.  And as
 
         13       Commissioner Nelson points out, that at year-end
 
         14       1996, we anticipate having approximately
 
         15       $1.4 billion in cash available to pay claims.
 
         16            The purpose of this meeting is to conduct
 
         17       an organizational meeting, and the agenda items
 
         18       are laid out in the agenda that you have, Items
 
         19       2A through F.  These items help us to legally
 
         20       set up the corporation, and to begin the
 
         21       validation process.
 
         22            They include the following:  One, the
 
         23       election of officers; two, the approval of the
 
         24       Articles of Incorporation and the Bylaws, as
 
         25       well as the corporate seal.

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          1            We also ask that you approve a resolution
 
          2       that authorizes the issuance of up to
 
          3       $10 billion of bonds.
 
          4            The resolution also approves a master trust
 
          5       indenture, approves a pledge and security
 
          6       agreement, and authorizes the validation of the
 
          7       bonds.
 
          8            It also -- also included in the minutes are
 
          9       an -- is an item that directs the Secretary to
 
         10       set out all actions in the minutes of the
 
         11       corporation.
 
         12            What we need is a motion to approve all
 
         13       agenda items under Items 2A through F.
 
         14            TREASURER NELSON:  I move it.
 
         15            GOVERNOR CHILES:  All right.  Agenda Items
 
         16       A, B, C, D, E, and F have been moved.
 
         17            Is there discussion?
 
         18            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  The only comment
 
         19       I'll make, Governor --
 
         20            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Yes.
 
         21            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  -- is that I think
 
         22       this process all is to be a model for efficiency
 
         23       and effectiveness.  They have really done a
 
         24       terrific job in pulling this together, and I
 
         25       second the motion.

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          1            GOVERNOR CHILES:  I think that's very
 
          2       true.  I think they've done an outstanding job
 
          3       on that.
 
          4            All right.  It's been moved and seconded.
 
          5            Without objection A, B, C, D, E, and F are
 
          6       approved.
 
          7            MR. NICHOLSON:  Thank you.
 
          8            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Thank you.
 
          9            There being no further business, is there a
 
         10       motion to adjourn the meeting of the --
 
         11       organizational meeting of the Florida Hurricane
 
         12       Catastrophe Fund --
 
         13            TREASURER NELSON:  I move it.
 
         14            GOVERNOR CHILES:  It's been moved and
 
         15       seconded.
 
         16            And without objection, that's approved.
 
         17       Meeting is adjourned.
 
         18            MR. NICHOLSON:  Thank you.
 
         19            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Thank you, sir.
 
         20            (The State Board of Administration Florida
 
         21       Hurricane Catastrophe Fund Finance Corporation
 
         22       Agenda was concluded.)
 
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          1            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Division of Bond Finance.
 
          2            MR. WATKINS:  Item 1 is approval of the
 
          3       minutes of the July 9th meeting.
 
          4            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval.
 
          5            COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD:  Second.
 
          6            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
          7            Without objection, they're approved.
 
          8            MR. WATKINS:  Item 2 is a resolution that
 
          9       had previously been deferred, which authorizes
 
         10       the use of unspent proceeds in the Facilities
 
         11       Management Program for renovations to the
 
         12       Knott Building.
 
         13            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval.
 
         14            COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD:  Second.
 
         15            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         16            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         17            MR. WATKINS:  Item number 3 is a resolution
 
         18       which does two things:  It authorizes the
 
         19       issuance of the 1996-97 fiscal year
 
         20       appropriation for the PECO program; and
 
         21       secondly, it authorizes the competitive --
 
         22       issuance and competitive sale of 250 million of
 
         23       the $450 million appropriation.
 
         24            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval,
 
         25       Governor.

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          1            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.
 
          2            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
          3            Without objection, it's approved.
 
          4            MR. WATKINS:  Item 4 is adoption of a
 
          5       resolution authorizing the issuance of
 
          6       thirteen million three hundred and eighty-five
 
          7       thousand Board of Regents Student Housing
 
          8       Facility Revenue Bonds for the renovation of two
 
          9       student housing facilities at Florida State
 
         10       University.
 
         11            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.
 
         12            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Second.
 
         13            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         14            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         15            MR. WATKINS:  Item number 5 is adoption of
 
         16       resolutions authorizing the negotiated sale of
 
         17       several multifamily housing revenue bond issues
 
         18       enumerated in Items (A) through (F) on behalf of
 
         19       the Florida Housing Finance Agency.
 
         20            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  I'll move approval of
 
         21       Items 5 (A) through (F), Governor.
 
         22            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
         23            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded on
 
         24       Items 5 (A) through (F).
 
         25            Without objection, it's approved.

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          1            MR. WATKINS:  Item number 6 is a report of
 
          2       award of one million nine hundred and
 
          3       eighty-five -- nine hundred and eighty thousand
 
          4       Student Housing Facility Revenue Bonds on behalf
 
          5       of the University of South Florida for the new
 
          6       college campus.  The bids were received on
 
          7       July 2nd at Division of Bond Finance.  We
 
          8       accepted the low bid at a true interest cost
 
          9       rate of 5.76 percent.
 
         10            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.
 
         11            COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD:  Second.
 
         12            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Second.
 
         13            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         14            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         15            MR. WATKINS:  Item number 7 is a report of
 
         16       award of fourteen million five hundred thousand
 
         17       Florida Housing Finance Agency transactions,
 
         18       which were sold at a weekly variable interest
 
         19       rate of 2.75 percent.
 
         20            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move it.
 
         21            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  Second.
 
         22            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         23            Without objection, that's approved.
 
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          1            (The Division of Bond Finance Agenda was
 
          2       concluded.)
 
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          1            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Department of Revenue.
 
          2            MR. FUCHS:  Item 1 is a request for
 
          3       approval of the minutes of the June 25th
 
          4       meeting.
 
          5            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  So move.
 
          6            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
          7            Without objection, it's approved.
 
          8            MR. FUCHS:  Item 2 is a request for
 
          9       approval to file with Secretary of State
 
         10       proposed amendments to child support enforcement
 
         11       Rules 12E-1.004, and 12E-1.006.
 
         12            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.
 
         13            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Second.
 
         14            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         15            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         16            MR. FUCHS:  And with your permission,
 
         17       Governor and members, today is the last Cabinet
 
         18       meeting of Lorraine Dempsey Yeomans, who has
 
         19       served the people of the State of Florida the
 
         20       last ten years as a staff person in the House of
 
         21       Representatives, an Assistant Attorney General,
 
         22       and as the Legal Services -- excuse me --
 
         23       Legal Staff Director for the Senate Finance and
 
         24       Tax Committee prior to being Legislative and
 
         25       Cabinet Affairs Director for the

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          1       Department of Revenue.
 
          2            With your indulgence, could she please come
 
          3       forward with a picture --
 
          4            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Certainly.
 
          5            MR. FUCHS:  -- for a picture?
 
          6            Thank you.
 
          7            She didn't know about this.
 
          8            (The Department of Revenue Agenda was
 
          9       concluded.)
 
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          1            GOVERNOR CHILES:  State Board of Education.
 
          2            (Treasurer Nelson exited the room.)
 
          3            DR. BEDFORD:  Governor Chiles, Members of
 
          4       the State Board of Education, good morning.
 
          5            Item 1, proposed contract for the
 
          6       administration, Florida Writing Assessment
 
          7       Program for 1996 through 1999 to National
 
          8       Computer Systems, Inc.
 
          9            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval.
 
         10            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
         11            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         12            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         13            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Governor --
 
         14            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Yes, ma'am.
 
         15            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  -- before we go
 
         16       forward, I'd just like to congratulate DOE
 
         17       and -- and Commissioner Brogan and the staff for
 
         18       a reduction and savings of $1.3 million.
 
         19       I think that's pretty significant.
 
         20            GOVERNOR CHILES:  It is significant.
 
         21            DR. BEDFORD:  Thank you.
 
         22            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Thank you, Secretary.
 
         23            DR. BEDFORD:  Item number 2, adoption of
 
         24       High Priority Location Schools for 1996-1997.
 
         25            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval.

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          1            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
          2            COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD:  Second.
 
          3            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
          4            Without objection, it's approved.
 
          5            DR. BEDFORD:  Item number 3, approval of
 
          6       Division Directors for the Department of
 
          7       Education.  I'm very pleased to present for your
 
          8       approval the four individuals who hold Division
 
          9       Director status within the Department of
 
         10       Education.
 
         11            Today in our audience we have two of our
 
         12       Division Directors, and I would like to have
 
         13       them stand as I present them to you.
 
         14            We have Mrs. Betty Coxe, Director of the
 
         15       Division of Human Resource Development.  And
 
         16       with her, we have Dr. David Mosrie, Director of
 
         17       the Division of Public Schools.
 
         18            Absent today, and unable to be here,
 
         19       Mr. David Rodriguez, Director of the Division of
 
         20       Administration; and Mr. Joe Stephens, Director
 
         21       of the Division of Applied Technology and Adult
 
         22       Education.
 
         23            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.
 
         24            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval without
 
         25       a picture, Governor.

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          1            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
          2            GOVERNOR CHILES:  All right.  It's been
 
          3       moved and seconded.
 
          4            Without objection, it's approved.
 
          5            DR. BEDFORD:  Item number 4, adoption of
 
          6       the Eleventh Supplemental Authorizing Resolution
 
          7       to the Master Authorizing Resolution adopted
 
          8       July 21st, 1992; and the Resolution authorizing
 
          9       the Public Competitive Sale and Delivery of not
 
         10       to exceed $250 million of State of Florida Full
 
         11       Faith and Credit State Board of Education
 
         12       Public Education Capital Outlay Bonds.
 
         13            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval,
 
         14       Governor.
 
         15            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
         16            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         17            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         18            DR. BEDFORD:  Number 5, approval of the
 
         19       1996-97 College Outreach Program Funding.
 
         20            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval.
 
         21            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
         22            COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD:  Second.
 
         23            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         24            Without objection, that's approved.
 
         25            DR. BEDFORD:  Item 6, approval of the

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          1       guidelines for Innovative Practices Grants.
 
          2            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval.
 
          3            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
          4            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
          5            Without objection, that's approved.
 
          6            DR. BEDFORD:  Item 7 we wish to defer.
 
          7            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move deferral.
 
          8            DR. BEDFORD:  Motion to --
 
          9            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Second.
 
         10            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded on a
 
         11       motion to defer.
 
         12            And without objection, it's deferred.
 
         13            DR. BEDFORD:  Item 8, Rule 6A-1.09982,
 
         14       Amendment:  Reporting Requirements for School
 
         15       Improvement and Accountability.
 
         16            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval.
 
         17            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and --
 
         18            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
         19            GOVERNOR CHILES:  -- seconded.
 
         20            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         21            DR. BEDFORD:  Item 9, 10 --
 
         22            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Ah.
 
         23            DR. BEDFORD:  Whoops.  Pardon.
 
         24            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Governor --
 
         25            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Yes, ma'am.

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          1            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  -- just on that
 
          2       particular rule, I'd just like to ask the
 
          3       Accountability Commission, and also DOE to work
 
          4       towards individual student achievement, as
 
          5       opposed to the masses.  As a parent, I think
 
          6       that parents are concerned about their
 
          7       individual student; and hopefully, that's what
 
          8       we would ultimately be working toward as well,
 
          9       and I'm sure you are.
 
         10            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Yes, ma'am.
 
         11            DR. BEDFORD:  Thank you.
 
         12            GOVERNOR CHILES:  All right.
 
         13            DR. BEDFORD:  Items 9, 10, and 11 are
 
         14       Division of Community Colleges.
 
         15            Item 9, 6A-14.0247, Amendment:  Powers and
 
         16       Duties of the Board of Trustees.
 
         17            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.
 
         18            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Second.
 
         19            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         20            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         21            DR. BEDFORD:  Item 10, 6A-14.0301,
 
         22       Withdrawal and Forgiveness.
 
         23            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.
 
         24            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval.
 
         25            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.

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          1            Without objection, it's approved.
 
          2            DR. BEDFORD:  Item 11, Chapter 6A-14,
 
          3       Repeals.
 
          4            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval.
 
          5            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
          6            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
          7            Without objection, it's approved.
 
          8            DR. BEDFORD:  Item 12, 13, 14 are items of
 
          9       the State University System.
 
         10            Item 12, 6C-6.0091, Repeal:  Spoken English
 
         11       Language Competence of Graduate Students
 
         12       Involved in Classroom Instruction.
 
         13            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Governor, I'll move
 
         14       approval.  And just to let you know, because it
 
         15       may look a little ominous, that simply moves two
 
         16       rules into one rule, covers undergraduate and
 
         17       graduate instructors in one rule instead of the
 
         18       two that it used to.
 
         19            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
         20            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         21            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         22            DR. BEDFORD:  Item 13, 6C-ER96-1, an
 
         23       Emergency Rule:  Tuition, Fee Schedule, and
 
         24       Percentage of Cost.
 
         25            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval.

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          1            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
          2            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
          3            Without objection, it's approved.
 
          4            DR. BEDFORD:  Item 14, 6C-7.001,
 
          5       Amendment:  Tuition, Fee Schedule, and
 
          6       Percentage of Cost.
 
          7            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval.
 
          8            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
          9            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         10            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         11            DR. BEDFORD:  Item 15, Appointment and
 
         12       Reappointment to the Manatee Community District
 
         13       Board of Trustees.
 
         14            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval.
 
         15            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
         16            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         17            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         18            DR. BEDFORD:  Item 16, a good cause item:
 
         19       Florida System of School Improvement and
 
         20       Accountability.  Here representing the
 
         21       Accountability Commission, Senator Phil Lewis.
 
         22            SENATOR LEWIS:  Good morning, Governor.
 
         23            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Good morning, sir.
 
         24            SENATOR LEWIS:  Members of the Cabinet,
 
         25       it's a pleasure to be here.

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          1            I think you all have a copy of the
 
          2       Florida's System of Schools and Improvement and
 
          3       Accountability for 1996.  And we are pleased to
 
          4       present it to you for approval, with this one
 
          5       caveat:  We have -- the Commission hasn't seen
 
          6       the final draft.  And I just -- I don't think --
 
          7       everything we've seen --
 
          8            (Treasurer Nelson entered the room.)
 
          9            SENATOR LEWIS:  -- so far is substantively
 
         10       correct.  And I'd just like to have them take a
 
         11       shot at it, because they've got the last say.
 
         12            A year ago, we completed the assessment
 
         13       design for the Commission, and for the State
 
         14       Board of Education.  And we would like -- we are
 
         15       just going to report to you that the items for
 
         16       assessment in the Florida Criterion Reference
 
         17       Test are being worked out now.
 
         18            This past year, the Department of Education
 
         19       has worked on the implementation plan by
 
         20       revising the curriculum frameworks, including
 
         21       the Sunshine State Standards, and letting
 
         22       contract and develop new assessments.
 
         23            And I compliment the Commissioner of
 
         24       Education and the work he and his staff have
 
         25       done.  And also want to compliment the

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          1       Commissioner on taking the courageous decision
 
          2       on the critically low schools.  We all know what
 
          3       happened when that hit the --
 
          4            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Fan.
 
          5            SENATOR LEWIS:  -- fan.  That's the -- I'm
 
          6       glad you said that.
 
          7            And -- however, the results have been very
 
          8       good.  People are working very hard to get off
 
          9       of the list.  And hopefully that list will
 
         10       narrow itself down over the years and will raise
 
         11       the standards.  And I think it's been the first
 
         12       move, and it was one that a lot of people were
 
         13       critical of.
 
         14            But I think, first of all, the Commissioner
 
         15       was carrying out the law; secondly, the
 
         16       Commission results are going to be very good.
 
         17       And it's with your support and help that this is
 
         18       coming into fruition.
 
         19            What you have before you is a design of the
 
         20       system of school improvement accountability as
 
         21       required by statute.  The statute required the
 
         22       design to be completed by the year 2000.
 
         23            Thus, the design has been completed by the
 
         24       Commission four years early, including the
 
         25       important part involving the stakeholders.

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          1            There is a tremendous amount of work left
 
          2       to be done in the development of the various
 
          3       components, as well as the training to bring
 
          4       about full implementation.  There are many
 
          5       issues before the Commission at this time,
 
          6       including exit standards and use of high school
 
          7       competency tests; performance based budgeting,
 
          8       as it relates to accountability; and other
 
          9       oversight responsibilities.
 
         10            And I'll just parenthetically say here:
 
         11       From what I've been -- I've listened to what a
 
         12       performance based budgeting is.  And if you've
 
         13       had five explanations, you've had five different
 
         14       explanations.  So by the time we'd get it all
 
         15       fully implemented, we'd have a train wreck the
 
         16       likes you have never seen.  However, that is,
 
         17       I think, going to be narrowed down over the next
 
         18       few months.
 
         19            But one of the things that I noted in my --
 
         20       one of the explanations, which I think is going
 
         21       to come into play, and that is performance based
 
         22       budgeting is going to be tied to performance
 
         23       based education, in particular, the K-12 system,
 
         24       and they're going to tie money to it.  I can
 
         25       almost count on that.

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          1            And so if you haven't heard it,
 
          2       Commissioner, and members of the Cabinet, you
 
          3       will soon.  I just learned about it myself.
 
          4            Other areas of -- need attention, the
 
          5       postsecondary is creating a K-- pre-K through
 
          6       the university, a continuum of education that
 
          7       gets fully involved in the system.
 
          8            We can no longer afford in this state, or
 
          9       any other state, for each one of the segments of
 
         10       education to take off like Roman candles all by
 
         11       themselves, and not have -- looking at one
 
         12       another.  The teachers come out of higher
 
         13       education in some state.  The -- and go back
 
         14       into the system.
 
         15            I personally have a very strong involvement
 
         16       in that, and hopefully I see that the
 
         17       postsecondary people are beginning to understand
 
         18       that they are going to be involved in the K-12
 
         19       system.  And I think the Commissioner, and
 
         20       everyone else, is -- so far has shown an
 
         21       interest in that, and we hope if they don't show
 
         22       an interest in it, they will soon.
 
         23            Now that I'm on the Board of Regents,
 
         24       hopefully that will even cause them to have more
 
         25       attention over the next few months.

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          1            The Commission will -- in October, will
 
          2       present its annual report, including the
 
          3       feedback on the Department's implementation
 
          4       efforts.  Dr. Biance, who is on vacation
 
          5       currently, or he'd be up here -- by -- was
 
          6       invited by the Education Commission of the
 
          7       states to present a topic of sustaining systemic
 
          8       reform.
 
          9            We are an elite group here in Florida, as
 
         10       we are entering our sixth year.  And now you're
 
         11       beginning to see the fruits of our labor.  When
 
         12       you go outside the state, other states are
 
         13       beginning to look at what Florida is doing.
 
         14            If you remember, in the early days when
 
         15       this started, the reform and accountability, we
 
         16       only heard about Kentucky.  They jumped into the
 
         17       program, they jumped ahead too fast, and didn't
 
         18       do what Florida was doing.  And that was
 
         19       methodically begin to plot out where this was
 
         20       going.
 
         21            And I'm no educator by any -- by a long
 
         22       shot.  But I think we've done it right.
 
         23            As a matter of fact, Dr. Biance in one of
 
         24       his talks over in New Orleans, the chap from
 
         25       Kentucky interrupted and said, don't do as we

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          1       did, we're having to redo, and do as Florida is
 
          2       doing.
 
          3            It's hard work; it's tough; it's -- it's
 
          4       methodical; it's boring; and yet for those of us
 
          5       in it, it's very exciting.  I see great things
 
          6       happening in the future.  And I'm glad to be a
 
          7       part of it.
 
          8            In closing, I just want to tell you that
 
          9       the Accountability Commission is still working
 
         10       hard.  They will continue to work hard.
 
         11            And I want to thank again the staff of the
 
         12       Commissioner for working to get this report in.
 
         13       And if there's any major changes after the
 
         14       Commission looks at this, we'll bring it back to
 
         15       you, but I don't suspect there will be any.  And
 
         16       we want to get this into the hands of the
 
         17       teachers and out in the local schools for the
 
         18       1996-97 year.
 
         19            Thank you.
 
         20            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Thank you very much for
 
         21       your report.  And we congratulate the
 
         22       Commissioner.  We're delighted to see that we
 
         23       have now put out -- formalized this process.  It
 
         24       is ahead of time, which is also great.
 
         25            And I think the difference between Florida

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          1       and Kentucky primarily is Kentucky did have a
 
          2       unique opportunity when the courts threw out
 
          3       their funding system.  But they sort of
 
          4       squandered that opportunity when they had a
 
          5       top-down approach.  And they thought they were
 
          6       doing it right, but they had to -- all the
 
          7       directives came from the Capitol, and they did
 
          8       not go out and buy in any kind of help from
 
          9       teachers, parents, school boards, others.
 
         10            And I, again, congratulate the
 
         11       Accountability Commission for all those hearings
 
         12       you held, and continue to hold -- I know that
 
         13       that was not easy.  But I think we did have more
 
         14       of a buy-in.  And when we came out with our
 
         15       report, it was something that basically an awful
 
         16       lot of people had bought into.  And so I think
 
         17       that's -- attribute that to the success.
 
         18            The other thing I would say, what you're
 
         19       talking about on performance based budgeting,
 
         20       everybody wants to see that, nobody knows how
 
         21       the hell to do it.  It's the most difficult
 
         22       thing in the world.
 
         23            And again, using the kind of approach that
 
         24       y'all have of, again, getting a buy-in would be
 
         25       very, very important in doing that.  If we had

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          1       the best idea and we directed it all from here,
 
          2       it probably will not work.
 
          3            It's again going and holding a lot of
 
          4       meetings, letting a lot of people express
 
          5       themselves, and letting a lot of people begin to
 
          6       understand what we're talking about, that we are
 
          7       talking about tying this to an individual
 
          8       student's performance.  So mom and pop know that
 
          9       the dollar -- their taxpayers' dollar is being
 
         10       spent properly, efficiently, effectively,
 
         11       honestly, all of those things is what we're
 
         12       looking for; as opposed to some bureaucratic
 
         13       follow line items and everything else.
 
         14            So, again, easy to talk about, very
 
         15       difficult to do.  But I can't think of any
 
         16       organization better prepared to try to help us
 
         17       do this, because of your previous experience and
 
         18       your track record, than the
 
         19       Accountability Commission.
 
         20            SENATOR LEWIS:  Thank you, Governor.
 
         21            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Governor, I'll move
 
         22       this item.
 
         23            But I would be remiss if -- if we didn't
 
         24       also take the opportunity to thank the
 
         25       Accountability Commission's answer to Stanley

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          1       the Panther, and that -- that's Senator
 
          2       Phil Lewis.  He -- he has been great, not only
 
          3       with the Accountability Commission, but we also
 
          4       applaude your wisdom in his appointment to the
 
          5       Board of Regents.
 
          6            He's going to provide for us, I think, a
 
          7       very important link:  Legislature, pre-K-12,
 
          8       Community Colleges, State University System,
 
          9       because he's got such a long and illustrious
 
         10       track record dealing with all of those that's
 
         11       very unusual, in this, or any other state -- and
 
         12       I put this in quotes -- from a layman's
 
         13       perspective.  And I only mean that by saying, he
 
         14       is not an educator, self espoused, and proud of
 
         15       it, I think.
 
         16            SENATOR LEWIS:  Yes, sir.
 
         17            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  But -- but he does
 
         18       bring to bear a very important list of
 
         19       credentials that will bring to us that kind of
 
         20       experience.
 
         21            So we thank you for that appointment to the
 
         22       BOR, and we also thank Senator Lewis for his
 
         23       continued efforts on behalf of the teachers and
 
         24       children of the State of Florida.  We appreciate
 
         25       it very much.

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          1            SENATOR LEWIS:  Thank you, Commissioner.
 
          2            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Picture?
 
          3            SENATOR LEWIS:  Oh, no.  I put you through
 
          4       that already.
 
          5            Thank you.
 
          6            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
          7            GOVERNOR CHILES:  The report has been moved
 
          8       and seconded.
 
          9            Without objection, the report is adopted.
 
         10            DR. BEDFORD:  Thank you.
 
         11            (The State Board of Education Agenda was
 
         12       concluded.)
 
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          1            GOVERNOR CHILES:
 
          2       Administration Commission.
 
          3            DR. BRADLEY:  Item number 1, recommend
 
          4       approval of the minutes of the meetings held
 
          5       June 13; June 20; and June 25, 1996.
 
          6            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.
 
          7            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Second.
 
          8            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Motion and --
 
          9            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Second.
 
         10            GOVERNOR CHILES:  -- second in regard to
 
         11       the minutes.
 
         12            Without objection, they're approved.
 
         13            DR. BRADLEY:  Item number 2, recommend
 
         14       approval of the transfer of general revenue
 
         15       appropriations in the Department of Agriculture
 
         16       and Consumer Services.
 
         17            COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD:  Motion.
 
         18            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval.
 
         19            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         20            Without objection, that's approved.
 
         21            DR. BRADLEY:  Item number 3, recommend the
 
         22       approval of the transfer of general revenue
 
         23       appropriations, and -- under Items A, B, and C
 
         24       in the Department of Health and Rehabilitative
 
         25       Services.

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          1            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Governor, move
 
          2       Items 3 A, B, and C.
 
          3            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
          4            GOVERNOR CHILES:  All right.  Motion is on
 
          5       items A, B, and C.
 
          6            And without objection, that's approved.
 
          7            DR. BRADLEY:  Item number 4, recommend the
 
          8       approval of the transfer of general revenue
 
          9       appropriations in the Department of Juvenile
 
         10       Justice.
 
         11            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.
 
         12            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  Second.
 
         13            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Second.
 
         14            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         15            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         16            DR. BRADLEY:  Item number 5, recommend the
 
         17       approval of the transfer of general revenue
 
         18       appropriations under items A and B in the
 
         19       Department of State.
 
         20            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.
 
         21            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  Second.
 
         22            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Second.
 
         23            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         24            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         25            DR. BRADLEY:  Item number 6, Governor, is

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          1       recommended that we take up later after the
 
          2       Trustees agenda.  That's the Lee County --
 
          3            GOVERNOR CHILES:  All right.
 
          4            (The Administration Commissioner Agenda was
 
          5       continued.)
 
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          1            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Florida Land and Water
 
          2       Adjudicatory Commission.
 
          3            DR. BRADLEY:  Item number 1, request
 
          4       approval of the minutes of July 9, 1996,
 
          5       Commission meeting.
 
          6            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  So move.
 
          7            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
          8            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
          9            Without objection, minutes are approved.
 
         10            DR. BRADLEY:  Item number 2 is request
 
         11       approval of the proposed final rule establishing
 
         12       the Fiddler's Creek Community Development
 
         13       District.  We have some folks here available if
 
         14       you want to --
 
         15            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.
 
         16            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and --
 
         17            COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD:  Second.
 
         18            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Second.
 
         19            GOVERNOR CHILES:  -- seconded.
 
         20            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         21            DR. BRADLEY:  Item number 3, request
 
         22       acceptance of the June 30, 1996, report on the
 
         23       status of the Save Our Everglades Program.
 
         24            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval.
 
         25            COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD:  Second.

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          1            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
          2            Without objection, that's approved.
 
          3            (The Florida Land and Water Adjudicatory
 
          4       Commission Agenda was concluded.)
 
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          1            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Board of Trustees.
 
          2            MS. WETHERELL:  Governor and Trustees, if I
 
          3       could first introduce to you our new
 
          4       General Counsel for DEP, Mr. Perry Odom.
 
          5            If Perry'll just stand up, because you'll
 
          6       be seeing a lot of him now.
 
          7            Item 1, an option agreement for Belle Meade
 
          8       CARL project, and a waiver of survey.
 
          9            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.
 
         10            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval.
 
         11            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and --
 
         12            COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD:  Second.
 
         13            GOVERNOR CHILES:  -- seconded.
 
         14            Without objection, it's approved.
 
         15            MS. WETHERELL:  Item 2 is an option
 
         16       agreement for Belle Meade CARL project.
 
         17            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.
 
         18            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Second.
 
         19            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         20            Without objection, that's approved.
 
         21            MS. WETHERELL:  Item 3 are ten purchase
 
         22       agreements for Belle Meade CARL projects, and a
 
         23       waiver of survey.
 
         24            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move approval.
 
         25            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.

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          1            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
          2            Without objection, that's approved.
 
          3            MS. WETHERELL:  Item 4 is an option
 
          4       agreement for Belle Meade CARL project.
 
          5            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.
 
          6            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Second.
 
          7            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
          8            Without objection, that's approved.
 
          9            MS. WETHERELL:  Item 5, purchase agreements
 
         10       for Save Our Everglades CARL project, and a
 
         11       waiver of survey.
 
         12            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.
 
         13            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Second.
 
         14            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         15            Without objection, that's approved.
 
         16            MS. WETHERELL:  Item 6, two option
 
         17       agreements for Tate's Hell Carrabelle CARL
 
         18       project.
 
         19            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move it.
 
         20            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Second.
 
         21            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         22            Without objection, that's approved.
 
         23            MS. WETHERELL:  Item 7, an option agreement
 
         24       for Spruce Creek CARL project.
 
         25            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.

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          1            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Second.
 
          2            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
          3            Without objection, it's approved.
 
          4            MS. WETHERELL:  Item 8, an option agreement
 
          5       for the Chassahowitzka Wildlife Management Area.
 
          6            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Move it.
 
          7            SECRETARY MORTHAM:  Move approval.
 
          8            COMMISSIONER BROGAN:  Second.
 
          9            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Moved and seconded.
 
         10            Without objection, that's approved.
 
         11            MS. WETHERELL:  Item 9, a modification of
 
         12       deed restrictions on Watson Island.
 
         13            We have some speakers, Governor.  If I can
 
         14       call on first Steve Uhlfelder, representing the
 
         15       applicant.
 
         16            And following him will be Vice Mayor
 
         17       Willy Gort, Commissioner Joe Carollo, and
 
         18       Senator Ron Silver.
 
         19            ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH:  Which one is
 
         20       Steve Uhlfelder, and which one --
 
         21            TREASURER NELSON:  You're getting yourself
 
         22       all adorned these days, aren't you?
 
         23            MR. UHLFELDER:  He's going to tell us the
 
         24       percentage.  They guaranteed me that this was
 
         25       potty trained.

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          1            ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH:  They just
 
          2       fed him.
 
          3            MR. UHLFELDER:  It's a pleasure to be here
 
          4       representing the City of Miami.  I'm with
 
          5       Holland & Knight, we represent the City.  And
 
          6       today we have with us a number of City
 
          7       officials.
 
          8            I don't think this is going to work.
 
          9            TREASURER NELSON:  Cheap suit.
 
         10            ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH:  Better hope
 
         11       it's a cheap suit.
 
         12            MR. UHLFELDER:  The -- we have --
 
         13            TREASURER NELSON:  It's the most lucid
 
         14       presentation you've ever made.
 
         15            GOVERNOR CHILES:  We're going to know
 
         16       whether you're telling the truth or not because
 
         17       of the bird.
 
         18            MR. UHLFELDER:  The -- I asked the bird
 
         19       before I could get up here whether he was a
 
         20       Democrat or Republican; he said, depending on
 
         21       the issue.
 
         22            But we have with us today the Vice Mayor,
 
         23       Willy Gort; Commissioner Joe Carollo;
 
         24       Commissioner J.L. Plummer; the head of Planning,
 
         25       Jack Luft; Ron Silver with the -- the head of

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          1       the Dade delegation; William Talbert, who's the
 
          2       CEO of the Miami Convention Bureau; Mr. and
 
          3       Mrs. Bernie Levine, CEO, Parrot Jungle, whose
 
          4       bird this belongs to.
 
          5            In 1945, this is what Watson Island looked
 
          6       like; this is what the Watson Island looks like
 
          7       today; and this is what the Watson Island would
 
          8       look like with about 1,000 parrots like this,
 
          9       and all -- the $25 million that will be put in
 
         10       this -- this development.
 
         11            We've spent about six months negotiating
 
         12       with the City of Miami and the State to enter
 
         13       into agreements so we can get a deed restriction
 
         14       of about 18 acres.  There was voter approval of
 
         15       this project in November of 1995, with over
 
         16       60 percent of the voters approving this
 
         17       project.  There'll be over $500,000 in State
 
         18       sales tax coming to you as a result of this
 
         19       project.
 
         20            We've had three appraisals done on this
 
         21       project, and it shows that what we negotiated,
 
         22       the amount that we believe is reasonable, and we
 
         23       believe that what the City is asking for at
 
         24       7.5 percent supports those appraisals.
 
         25            We negotiated this amount of 15, and the

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          1       City requested an amount of 7.5, and the
 
          2       Commissioners are here today to support their
 
          3       position.
 
          4            We believe because the economic development
 
          5       and the tourism are being enhanced by this
 
          6       project, that we believe you should support the
 
          7       City's position.
 
          8            Because the proposed attraction is
 
          9       principally a garden, and has a low tax value,
 
         10       the property tax returned to the City will be
 
         11       less than the costs providing municipal
 
         12       services.  They're putting a substantial amount
 
         13       of capital improvements in this area.
 
         14            I would like now to turn over to the
 
         15       commissioners to talk about the economic
 
         16       development and to the -- the additional impact
 
         17       this will have on the community, and answer any
 
         18       questions at the end of that.
 
         19            The first person is Vice Mayor Willy Gort.
 
         20            MR. GORT:   Thank you.
 
         21            Good morning, Governor, members of the
 
         22       Cabinet --
 
         23            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Good morning.
 
         24            MR. GORT:  -- surely you are aware that the
 
         25       City of Miami was said to be the poorest -- one

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          1       of the fourth poorest city in the
 
          2       United States.  Certainly the most poorest city
 
          3       in the state of Florida.
 
          4            We tried to turn that around two years ago,
 
          5       and we made a commitment to our residents that
 
          6       we would change that around.
 
          7            One of the first things we did, we -- we
 
          8       deal with the budget.  We are here to reduce the
 
          9       budget by $36 million, and we requested our
 
         10       employees to perform a lot better and to do a
 
         11       lot more.
 
         12            At the same time, we made a commitment that
 
         13       we're going to turn -- maximize the revenues
 
         14       from the public land, and that's what's -- a lot
 
         15       of the RFP went out.
 
         16            Just to give you an idea of the economic
 
         17       impact that this will have, this proposed
 
         18       Parrot Jungle will create 200 permanent jobs,
 
         19       will create 500 jobs during construction,
 
         20       provide environmental education programs to the
 
         21       inner city school children, return attraction,
 
         22       Florida will pay in excess of $500,000 annually
 
         23       in sales tax.
 
         24            Pay other taxes annually, 3 -- 3 percent in
 
         25       property tax out of gross revenues;

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          1       two-and-a-half percent in local food and
 
          2       beverage taxes that helps the homeless, and
 
          3       others; 7 in payroll taxes.  Almost 20 percent
 
          4       of the gross revenues will go into paying taxes,
 
          5       federal, county, and state.
 
          6            This project cost around $25 million for
 
          7       the next five years, which will be additional
 
          8       jobs and income taxes will be paid from.
 
          9            As you were told before, we took this to
 
         10       the electors, and they approved it by 60 percent
 
         11       with a 28 percent turnout.
 
         12            So, therefore, I respectfully request the
 
         13       waiver of the deed restriction on Watson Island
 
         14       at 75 -- 7.5 percent payment made to the
 
         15       State of Florida.
 
         16            Thank you very much.
 
         17            Now I'd like to call on
 
         18       Commissioner Plummer.
 
         19            MR. PLUMMER:  Governor, Members of the
 
         20       Cabinet, I would like to take a second of your
 
         21       time as Chairman of the City of Miami Centennial
 
         22       to invite all of you Sunday to come down for the
 
         23       world's largest birthday party.  If you're in
 
         24       the area, we'd love to have you as our guest at
 
         25       that celebration.

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          1            I come here today to tell you that
 
          2       sometimes five years is a short period of time;
 
          3       and other times, it's an awful long time.  Five
 
          4       years ago when the Parrot Jungle decided that
 
          5       they were going to move, I talked to Dr. Levine,
 
          6       and we had three locations pretty well laid out
 
          7       in the City of Miami.
 
          8            Finally came to a referendum last November
 
          9       in which the people of the City of Miami decided
 
         10       that 25 to $27 million privately financed would
 
         11       be a tremendous asset for our community.
 
         12            No one thing is the hub or the wheel.  As
 
         13       you know, we have many, many improvements that
 
         14       we're looking at, and the Watson Island
 
         15       Parrot Jungle and Botanical Gardens will fit
 
         16       right into that picture.
 
         17            With the expansion of the port; with your
 
         18       help, the new arena; the performing arts; the
 
         19       opera house, all of those are very, very vital
 
         20       things for the redevelopment of our downtown
 
         21       area.
 
         22            They are looking presently at the present
 
         23       attraction of where -- about 50/50, 50 percent
 
         24       visitors, 50 percent local.  They're looking
 
         25       forward in three years to going to

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          1       550,000 people, and an aspect of 60/40,
 
          2       60 percent visitors, 40 percent of local people.
 
          3            We beg your help in this matter.  We feel
 
          4       it is crucial, it is very important to our
 
          5       community.  And I just thank you very much for
 
          6       allowing us to be here today.  We're not
 
          7       violating the Sunshine Law nor the Moonshine
 
          8       Law, we've all signed the necessary pledges.
 
          9            Thank you very much.
 
         10            MR. UHLFELDER:  I would like to call on the
 
         11       head of the Dade delegation, Senator Silver.
 
         12            SENATOR SILVER:  Governor, and members of
 
         13       the Cabinet, it's a pleasure to appear before
 
         14       you.
 
         15            It's a little odd for me to do this.  In
 
         16       18 years I've been in the Legislature, this is
 
         17       the first time I have -- have done this.
 
         18            Actually, it's the the second time,
 
         19       because, as you saw, I was with Stanley Panther
 
         20       before, and that was my first appearance before
 
         21       you.
 
         22            I certainly appreciate -- this gives me an
 
         23       opportunity to extend my appreciation for the
 
         24       kind remarks, Commissioner Crawford, that you
 
         25       gave to me before.  I just want to thank you so

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          1       much for that, recognizing my bigness and
 
          2       greatness.
 
          3            This is a very important issue to those of
 
          4       us in Dade County.
 
          5            It represents something that we all are
 
          6       proud of.  And I'm here to tell you today, as
 
          7       Chairman of the Dade County Legislative
 
          8       Delegation, that not one single member of this
 
          9       delegation objects to this proposal that is
 
         10       before you today, that those of us who represent
 
         11       the people of Dade County in the legislative
 
         12       process are all unanimously behind this
 
         13       proposal.
 
         14            We do that for many reasons.  But the
 
         15       biggest one I think is because of the economic
 
         16       development aspect of this.
 
         17            The attraction that we can provide to
 
         18       people who visit our area, who come to our area,
 
         19       for various reasons, this gives them another
 
         20       opportunity.  And it's a tremendous educational
 
         21       experience.
 
         22            The Parrot Jungle before this move was
 
         23       located in my district, and it will be located
 
         24       in my district after this move.  I am very proud
 
         25       to have it.  As we went through the hurricane

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          1       process, we know that severe problems occurred
 
          2       to Dade County.  And this Cabinet, this
 
          3       Legislature, has been absolutely outstanding in
 
          4       every regard as far as getting us back on the
 
          5       track.
 
          6            I believe that this addition, this addition
 
          7       will put us in the right direction.  There's a
 
          8       lot more that we can do, there's a lot more we
 
          9       want to do.  And the fact that the Dade
 
         10       delegation has come together on an issue -- as
 
         11       you know, those of you who served in the
 
         12       Legislature, and it's very difficult to get the
 
         13       Dade delegation to agree on almost anything.
 
         14       Well, they're in agreement on this particular
 
         15       issue.
 
         16            So I would urge you, on that basis, to try
 
         17       and accede to the proposal that is before you.
 
         18       I think it's a win-win, it's a win for the State
 
         19       of Florida.  I think additional revenues are
 
         20       going to be coming into the state, and it
 
         21       certainly would be a win for the people of
 
         22       Dade County.
 
         23            Thank you very much.
 
         24            MR. UHLFELDER:  Last speaker, and I'll be
 
         25       glad to answer any questions.

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          1            But before that, the Mayor-to-be,
 
          2       Joe Carollo.
 
          3            MR. CAROLLO:  Governor, Honorable Members
 
          4       of the Cabinet, thank you for the opportunity
 
          5       that you've extended to us today in making this
 
          6       presentation on behalf of Miami.
 
          7            Since 1949, the City of Miami has expended
 
          8       over $10 million to the improvement of
 
          9       Watson Island, along with a commitment that we
 
         10       have of spending an additional seven-and-a-half
 
         11       million for additional improvements on
 
         12       Watson Island.  It's a total of
 
         13       seventeen-and-a-half million dollars.
 
         14            The only return that the citizens of Miami
 
         15       will receive monetary will be the monetary
 
         16       returns that we'll receive from this project
 
         17       since that time.  At the same time, the State of
 
         18       Florida will be receiving in excess of half a
 
         19       million dollars a year in annual sales tax
 
         20       revenues.
 
         21            As you heard one of my colleagues state
 
         22       before, Miami is the fourth poorest city in the
 
         23       country.  There is no other city in the state of
 
         24       Florida, I may say, that needs this money more
 
         25       than Miami.

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          1            We hope that in this centennial year, the
 
          2       year that Miami becomes 100 years old, that we
 
          3       will start changing that, so instead of being
 
          4       the fourth poorest city in the country, maybe we
 
          5       could become one of the wealthiest cities so we
 
          6       could contribute more to our great state.
 
          7            But in this centennial year, I cannot think
 
          8       of a better birthday present that you could give
 
          9       to us in Miami than to vote for us in this
 
         10       request that we've made.
 
         11            Having said that, I would also like to
 
         12       extend to all of you that you come to Miami this
 
         13       weekend, an invitation to celebrate with us the
 
         14       largest birthday party that there will be in the
 
         15       state of Florida.
 
         16            Thank you very much.
 
         17            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Thank you, sir.
 
         18            MR. UHLFELDER:  That concludes our
 
         19       presentation.  I want to let you know, this
 
         20       parrot behaved a lot better than that panther.
 
         21       So --
 
         22            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Yeah.  You haven't looked
 
         23       at the back of your coat yet.
 
         24            MR. UHLFELDER:  Not -- I was anticipating
 
         25       that.  I borrowed a partner's jacket today.

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          1       So --
 
          2            TREASURER NELSON:  At least he's wearing a
 
          3       dark jacket.
 
          4            MS. WETHERELL:  Those are all the
 
          5       speakers.  And unless you would like to hear
 
          6       from Mr. Mallison as to why we recommended
 
          7       15 percent --
 
          8            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Well, I -- what is the
 
          9       proposal that's before us?
 
         10            MS. WETHERELL:  Proposal before you in the
 
         11       item --
 
         12            GOVERNOR CHILES:  And I'd like to hear from
 
         13       Mr. Mallison.
 
         14            MS. WETHERELL:  Okay.  Pete?
 
         15            MR. MALLISON:  Good morning, Governor, and
 
         16       Cabinet.
 
         17            The Secretary did ask me to kind of recap
 
         18       for you how we got to where we are.  And I
 
         19       would, of course, begin with the deed to the
 
         20       City, which was given to them by the Board of
 
         21       Trustees back in the late 1940s.
 
         22            At the time that the property was conveyed
 
         23       to the City, it was conveyed with use
 
         24       restrictions on the property, it was given to
 
         25       them for virtually no consideration so that it

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          1       could be used for public and municipal purposes.
 
          2            And the deed contains specific language in
 
          3       it that specifically provides that it may not be
 
          4       leased to any private citizen, corporation, or
 
          5       entity that the -- being that the purpose of the
 
          6       original dedication to the City was for
 
          7       municipal and public purposes.
 
          8            Consequently, when the City approached us
 
          9       six to eight months ago originally asking for a
 
         10       relaxation, or waiver of the deed restrictions
 
         11       so that they could lease this property to
 
         12       Parrot Jungle, which clearly is a private
 
         13       entity, we began our discussions with the City.
 
         14            And it was our feeling that there were
 
         15       certainly -- as the City has said today -- that
 
         16       there are certainly some public benefits to be
 
         17       derived from the construction of this tourist
 
         18       attraction on the island.  But, on the other
 
         19       hand, that it was clearly also inconsistent with
 
         20       the restrictions under which the property had
 
         21       been conveyed to the City.
 
         22            I can tell you that nearly from the
 
         23       beginning, the City has agreed that it would be
 
         24       appropriate to compensate the Board of Trustees
 
         25       in some fashion for the modification of these

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          1       deed restrictions.
 
          2            However, before we began our negotiations
 
          3       with the City over what an appropriate
 
          4       compensation should be, we felt that we needed
 
          5       to have an appraisal done on the property so
 
          6       that we could see what its value was.
 
          7            The City was gracious enough to agree to
 
          8       pay for that appraisal.  We obtained an
 
          9       appraisal.  We asked the appraiser to tell us
 
         10       what the value of the property was put to its
 
         11       highest and best use as a tourist attraction.
 
         12            The appraiser estimated the value of the
 
         13       land at three-and-a-half million dollars.  He
 
         14       then told us that it would be reasonable to
 
         15       expect that a landlord would receive a base rent
 
         16       for that property of approximately 10 percent of
 
         17       that number, or $350,000 a year.
 
         18            He also indicated to us that it would be
 
         19       reasonable to expect a landlord of property on
 
         20       which this sort of operation will be
 
         21       constructed, to negotiate a lease with the
 
         22       lessee, which would also include a return on
 
         23       things such as ticket -- ticket sales; retail
 
         24       sales; and banquet and restaurant income, which
 
         25       are expected to be generated by this operation.

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          1            And recommended to us through the appraisal
 
          2       a range of percentages of those numbers that you
 
          3       would expect to negotiate within.
 
          4            Consequently, we began our negotiations
 
          5       with the City, suggesting that it would be
 
          6       appropriate for the State to receive in
 
          7       recognition of the fact that this was not given
 
          8       to them for a profit making venture, that it
 
          9       would be appropriate for the State to receive
 
         10       some portion of these revenues.
 
         11            I believe that the offer that we were
 
         12       making to the City several months ago was in the
 
         13       neighborhood of 25 percent of the numbers, as I
 
         14       have indicated.
 
         15            The City came back -- or at least the
 
         16       City's agent, and the City staff members that we
 
         17       were dealing with, came back, and suggested that
 
         18       if we would be agreeable to 15 percent, that
 
         19       they would agree to that.
 
         20            So in recognition that this is an important
 
         21       public project in Miami, we said we would agree
 
         22       to that.
 
         23            And it was at that point apparently that
 
         24       the -- this deal was taken to the
 
         25       City Commission, at which point they apparently

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          1       did not agree with their staff position on
 
          2       15 percent.
 
          3            So we are here now, as you know, with
 
          4       somewhat of an impasse, our position being that
 
          5       we believe that 15 percent is a reasonable
 
          6       figure; the City, of course, asking for
 
          7       seven-and-a-half percent.
 
          8            I would just mention to you that the --
 
          9       whatever proceeds are derived from this
 
         10       agreement with the City would be deposited into
 
         11       the Internal Improvement Trust Fund, which is
 
         12       the Trust Fund that supports your staff, being
 
         13       my Division of State Lands, as well as other
 
         14       staff within the department who are charged with
 
         15       the administration and oversight of the
 
         16       3 million or so acres that are titled in your
 
         17       name.
 
         18            So I would just mention that as well.
 
         19            And I would be glad to answer any questions
 
         20       if --
 
         21            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Well, I just think it's
 
         22       interesting that the City Commission, which it
 
         23       was certainly within their prerogatives and
 
         24       responsibilities and duties, decided that
 
         25       15 percent was too much, and so they thought it

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          1       should be seven-and-a-half.
 
          2            I will just point out that your Board has
 
          3       not agreed to your 15 percent figure yet, and
 
          4       I think it may be too low.  So, you know, we may
 
          5       have some more negotiations that we're doing
 
          6       here.
 
          7            Go ahead.
 
          8            TREASURER NELSON:  Well, Governor, I come
 
          9       at it from a different approach.  I wonder, what
 
         10       is the public policy with regard to the
 
         11       protection of the state.  You all clearly have
 
         12       done your job as the Division of State Lands, in
 
         13       protecting the public interest and the State's
 
         14       interest here.
 
         15            Has the State expended any money with
 
         16       regard to Watson Island?  Clearly the City has
 
         17       since the 1940s.  Has the State?
 
         18            MS. WETHERELL:  Do you know that answer?
 
         19            MR. MALLISON:  I can tell you that in terms
 
         20       of every day maintenance, and those kinds of
 
         21       things, that it is not my under-- we certainly
 
         22       haven't expended any money, Commissioner.
 
         23            I would say that I believe that there is a
 
         24       public road, a State road, that runs across the
 
         25       island.  Now, I would assume that DOT is

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          1       providing some maintenance for that road.
 
          2            But, again, I guess my response to that
 
          3       would be that the property was given to the
 
          4       City, and obviously it is theirs to maintain.
 
          5       But, again, it was given to them for the
 
          6       specific purposes of municipal purposes.  So we
 
          7       would expect that they would maintain it for
 
          8       those purposes.
 
          9            TREASURER NELSON:  Well, in terms of global
 
         10       affairs, we're only talking about a $30,000
 
         11       difference here.  But to get to what the
 
         12       equities are, the Miami Herald has editorialized
 
         13       that the State initially asked for 50 percent.
 
         14            Could you tell me if that's true; and if
 
         15       so, why?
 
         16            MR. MALLISON:  That is true, Commissioner.
 
         17       And that was our beginning offer in the
 
         18       negotiations.
 
         19            I think that we went into the negotiations
 
         20       hoping that we would end up somewhere in the 15
 
         21       to 25 percent range.  And obviously, we did not
 
         22       want to begin with what our bottom line was.  So
 
         23       we threw out an initial offer of 50 percent.
 
         24            Now, I think that there is some
 
         25       justification for that.  I think that the Board

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          1       of Trustees in the past has considered requests
 
          2       by the City to release deed restrictions on this
 
          3       very -- within the same deed, for other City
 
          4       projects.
 
          5            And, in fact, the last time that that was
 
          6       before this Board, the Board insisted that
 
          7       100 percent of the revenue that the City derived
 
          8       from the conversion of another part of this deed
 
          9       to private uses would go into a special trust
 
         10       fund that was intended to compensate the local
 
         11       citizens for the conversion of that land.
 
         12            So there's an instance where this Board
 
         13       insisted that 100 percent of the City's revenues
 
         14       on the property be earmarked, if you will, for
 
         15       projects that this Board said they ought to be
 
         16       earmarked for.
 
         17            So we believe that the Board's past
 
         18       practice had suggested that they thought that
 
         19       some significant portion of that.  But, on the
 
         20       other hand, we'd never started with 100 percent,
 
         21       because we understood that this is a project
 
         22       with a lot of local benefits.
 
         23            The City obviously is the one who's going
 
         24       to have to be responsible for the day-to-day
 
         25       oversight and management of this, and we did not

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          1       believe that 100 percent was an appropriate
 
          2       number.
 
          3            So we did begin with a suggestion of
 
          4       50 percent.  But, again, it was an opening
 
          5       position, and certainly not one that we expected
 
          6       to end up at.
 
          7            TREASURER NELSON:  It's sort of interesting
 
          8       how we will argue over minor matters of $30,000
 
          9       per year.  But it seems to me that the principle
 
         10       here is that if Miami's taxpayers have
 
         11       maintained this for years, that they ought to be
 
         12       the ones that have the -- the primary benefits
 
         13       coming from the revenue.  And that's my --
 
         14            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Well --
 
         15            TREASURER NELSON:  -- position, Governor.
 
         16            GOVERNOR CHILES:  -- I would certainly
 
         17       agree with that.
 
         18            I also think that the discussion here is
 
         19       not whether we're going to try to second-guess
 
         20       the Commission as to what the purpose is, and
 
         21       that while the State did give this land in the
 
         22       '40s, again, with little or no compensation, as
 
         23       I understand, we have Bayfront, which we've
 
         24       also, in effect, provided for small compensation
 
         25       goes.

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          1            But it seems like to me, the 15 percent
 
          2       that we're going to get is going to help the
 
          3       citizens of Dade County and the citizens all
 
          4       over Florida.
 
          5            Because that helps us to be able to
 
          6       administer the funds that we're talking about.
 
          7       And if you all will remember, the Legislature
 
          8       doesn't provide much funding.  And we're
 
          9       constantly finding that the Trustees do not have
 
         10       sufficient funds to try to look after how you
 
         11       protect the public's right.
 
         12            So we're talking about how are we going to
 
         13       help the citizens of Dade County the most?  Are
 
         14       we going to help them by cutting
 
         15       seven-and-a-half percent, or are we going to
 
         16       have a viable Trustees -- what is more critical
 
         17       lands than Dade County and south Florida and the
 
         18       area down there?
 
         19            So, to me, we're talking about negotiation
 
         20       here.  We're not talking about second-guessing a
 
         21       committee -- the Commission.  We're not talking
 
         22       about whether we're going to allow the private
 
         23       use of what was a public facility -- a public
 
         24       purpose.
 
         25            It certainly is going to bring tourism

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          1       there, it's going to bring a lot of other people
 
          2       to there.  And if that's the Commission's
 
          3       judgment, I don't want to second-guess that.
 
          4            But if the City Commission has decided
 
          5       that, hell, let's just get seven-and-a-half --
 
          6       pay them seven-and-a-half percent, they could
 
          7       have said zero, you know, and we could have been
 
          8       up here.
 
          9            After negotiations have gone along at
 
         10       15 percent, and as I say, I think you could have
 
         11       good reason as to why we're paying 15.  It is
 
         12       the principle of the thing, I think.  And I
 
         13       think they are being a little piggy, to tell you
 
         14       the truth.  And I think that 15 percent would be
 
         15       a fairer deal.  And that's what I would like to
 
         16       see us do.
 
         17            TREASURER NELSON:  Governor, I -- I think
 
         18       part of this is a turf fight that you used to
 
         19       teach me a lot about up in Washington as my
 
         20       senior senator, about which agency was going to
 
         21       get the revenue.
 
         22            The fact is, this project is going to
 
         23       benefit the State of Florida quite a bit,
 
         24       because they're estimating that the income that
 
         25       comes into the coffers of the State of Florida

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          1       is going to increase fivefold, from about
 
          2       $100,000 sales tax, to about 500,000.
 
          3            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Yes.
 
          4            TREASURER NELSON:  So clearly the
 
          5       State of Florida's going to benefit.  But that
 
          6       revenue's not going into DEP, it's coming into
 
          7       the general revenue of the state.
 
          8            GOVERNOR CHILES:  That's right.
 
          9            TREASURER NELSON:  So it's a turf fight,
 
         10       isn't it?
 
         11            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Sure.
 
         12            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  Governor, if I
 
         13       may --
 
         14            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Yes, sir.
 
         15            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  -- jump into the
 
         16       fray.  We are dancing a little bit on the head
 
         17       of a pin here, as --
 
         18            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Yes, sir.
 
         19            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  --
 
         20       Commissioner Nelson pointed out.
 
         21            But we don't have a -- really a very good
 
         22       track record in this state in terms of economic
 
         23       development, and promoting economic
 
         24       development.  Granted, we are trying to change
 
         25       that, and there have been some recent actions

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          1       that will strengthen it.
 
          2            And it appears to me that we are poking in
 
          3       the eye a little bit here the opportunity for
 
          4       Miami and Dade County to really build and
 
          5       strengthen the development of that area.
 
          6            And, again, it is dancing on the head of a
 
          7       pin, but it is a principle.  And I take a
 
          8       slightly different view of that principle, than
 
          9       perhaps you do.  And I certainly would argue for
 
         10       lesser than the 15 percent.  And, in fact, I
 
         11       probably might even strike for zero.  But
 
         12       I think we could probably live with --
 
         13            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Commission may meet
 
         14       again.
 
         15            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  -- we probably could
 
         16       strike the -- at the seven-and-a-half.
 
         17            And I would make a motion to that effect,
 
         18       that we consider reducing that 15 percent to
 
         19       seven-and-a-half percent.
 
         20            TREASURER NELSON:  I second it.
 
         21            GOVERNOR CHILES:  That's been moved and
 
         22       seconded.
 
         23            Is there further discussion?
 
         24            Many as favor the motion, signify by saying
 
         25       aye.

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          1            COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  Aye.
 
          2            TREASURER NELSON:  Aye.
 
          3            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Opposed, no?
 
          4            No.
 
          5            ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH:  No.
 
          6            GOVERNOR CHILES:  Motion carries.
 
          7            MS. WETHERELL:  Item 10 is a status report
 
          8       on the Bayside Center.  And we have speaker,
 
          9       Toby Brigham, representing the property owners
 
         10       of the Barnacle.
 
         11            MR. BRIGHAM:  Good morning, Your Honors.
 
         12            I have a status report as to the
 
         13       Commodore Bay tract of land.  It was about
 
         14       eleven years ago today when a similar request
 
         15       from the City of Miami came to have the State
 
         16       release its restrictions on the Bayfront Park of
 
         17       Miami to build the Bayside Commercial Center.
 
         18            And at that time, the agreement was that
 
         19       seven-and-a-half percent, or 7.4 percent of the
 
         20       revenues from that rental to that commercial
 
         21       enterprise, would go into a trust fund to
 
         22       acquire the Commodore Bay tract, which was owned
 
         23       by my three clients:  Howard Scharlin and
 
         24       Ken Treister and Jerry Katcher.
 
         25            At that time, the owners, in order to use

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          1       the property, not to sell it or increase the
 
          2       price for the acquisition, were seeking to have
 
          3       the property rezoned from its 1936 single family
 
          4       zoning, to the same uses that existed in central
 
          5       Coconut Grove, which was a mixed use development
 
          6       that would open up the property to the bay with
 
          7       an esplanade with boutique shops on the first
 
          8       level, and residential on the top level.
 
          9            During -- the Miami Herald approved that
 
         10       rezoning; the Planning Commission approved that
 
         11       rezoning; and at first reading, the
 
         12       City Commission approved that zoning.
 
         13            And then the agreement was struck with the
 
         14       State to acquire the property as a replacement
 
         15       for the bayfront property that the State had
 
         16       released.  And it was provided that the City
 
         17       would set this property -- the acquisition of
 
         18       this property as its first priority to acquire,
 
         19       and the State would put it on the CARL list and
 
         20       fund it.
 
         21            The State would pay half, the City would
 
         22       pay half.  And if the City didn't have its half,
 
         23       the State would pay all of it, and the State
 
         24       would then recoup the money by the revenues from
 
         25       the Bayside marketplace.

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          1            The owners' zoning was denied.
 
          2       Commissioner Carollo said:  You know, it seems
 
          3       to me that if we want to buy that land, we
 
          4       cannot afford to rezone it now.
 
          5            And they can --
 
          6            (Commissioner Crawford exited the room.)
 
          7            MR. BRIGHAM:  -- grow bananas on it.  We
 
          8       filed a suit for judicial review, as anyone
 
          9       would do.  It took the courts a long time.  The
 
         10       City won that.  We did not get the rezoning.
 
         11            But in eleven years, the City has done
 
         12       nothing to proceed to acquire the property, and
 
         13       the Trustees have not done anything in
 
         14       eleven years to replace the asset that they gave
 
         15       to the City of Miami, and we wish to give that
 
         16       status report.  I have it here.
 
         17            We have checked recent sales that have
 
         18       occurred around the rim of Biscayne Bay that are
 
         19       single family zoning.  And we find that their
 
         20       prices reflect now that this property is worth
 
         21       12 to $14 million.
 
         22            Had it been acquired when the State thought
 
         23       the City should do so, had the City been
 
         24       forthcoming to try to acquire it from the
 
         25       owners, the price would have been much less.

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          1            So the assets of the public trust of the
 
          2       Trustees of the Internal Improvement Fund have
 
          3       suffered a loss on account of it.
 
          4            We have now filed --
 
          5            (Commissioner Crawford entered the room.)
 
          6            MR. BRIGHAM:  -- or we have instituted a
 
          7       court proceeding here in Leon County between
 
          8       these owners and the state, hoping that that
 
          9       would serve as a vehicle to resolve this
 
         10       matter.  An